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  • How secure your Pension when you retire?

    Maybe you are a government employee, a teacher, police, a firefighter, or even retired military receiving pension for life, or expecting to receive pension, how secure do you feel about your pension to be there when you are ready to retire?
    We all read the headlines, the "doom and gloom" of defined benefits. I hear Dave Ramsey on air sometimes say, "don't expect anything the government". I get all that and understand why many of feel this way about their pension to be not there.

    However, my mindset is not all "doom and gloom". Yes, I know, several known cities in California like Stockton, Vallejo, or San Bernardino went bankrupt at some point. These are pretty headlines for those against government employees and their unions. I’m not here to argue this to you.
    Ultimately when you read the headlines, I shrugged, because I know the directions of my pension board doing to mitigate risk. I feel the same with my wife's pension and equally with social security benefits.

    One reason I feel confident and secure is because I follow the industry each and every day. I try to read as much I can on the vision and directions and their board's fiduciary role and its responsibility. What actions they are taking to mitigate risk, views on investment allocations to achieve market efficiency, ROI, stands on corporate governance. I read their annual financial statement and understand their positions. Having this information available gives me a high confidence and the knowledge and security my pension plan to be there when we are FIRE ready. So my second part question, how inform are you, or not about your pension to be there in the future?



    (Please be civil and respectful with your response. I don't want this debate turn against public government unions or retired military. Stay on topic please)
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  • #2
    I work in the construction industry and it is pretty commonly known that a huge percentage of the construction trades unions pension funds are severely underfunded and unless a miracle happens or the government steps in and bails them out, there are going to be a whole lot of these workers that will not get the retirement they were promised, and quite possibly nothing.

    They were ripped off by the leadership making big promises that they won't be able to deliver on. If you are not already retired, or retiring real soon from one of these unions, you are likely screwed.

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    • #3
      I have a small pension from the first company I worked for that will only end up being like 6k a year, there isn't much risk there. I also have a defined contribution pension at my current company that is funded each year and the money is in my own account so it is really more like a 401k match so no risk there. My wife has a fed pension so congress could change or eliminate it, so there is some small risk there.

      We save enough that even if my wifes fed pension was taken away we would be fine.

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      • #4
        I feel fairly secure that my pension will be there. It's a military pension, so it's probably equivalent to owning US Treasuries. If all that goes bad, then we have more problems than I could possibly plan for and I'll have to live on pop tarts.

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        • #5
          I think over 40 you are good to go. Under well I'd hesitate unless military or federal. If it's a state it could be reformed quickly by the time you retire.
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          • #6
            it feels so good to not worry about a pension or the health of social security, nobody owes me anything. i do have a $333 a month pension coming to me in around 15 years and they can choke on it
            retired in 2009 at the age of 39 with less than 300K total net worth

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            • #7
              I just ran the numbers through my retirement planner and it indicates I could retire @ 60 with no pension and no SS and I could spend $55k / year (net of taxes). Not quite pop tart level I guess, about half what I would like.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by LivingAlmostLarge View Post
                I think over 40 you are good to go. Under well I'd hesitate unless military or federal. If it's a state it could be reformed quickly by the time you retire.
                The state of California has done "reforms" over the years to improved the health of its pension plans like; increasing the vesting requirements from 10 to 20 years, adjusting various formula based on occupation, and introducing Tiered formula for new/future public employees while vigilante to those who intentional defraud the system "spiking" where employees convert certain benefits such as unused sick time or saved vacation pay to boost their pension.
                For most, these aren't sexy headlines that don't get reported at all.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by tomhole View Post
                  I just ran the numbers through my retirement planner and it indicates I could retire @ 60 with no pension and no SS and I could spend $55k / year (net of taxes). Not quite pop tart level I guess, about half what I would like.

                  I did the same with without our pensions & social security benefits, our money will last till age 93 with 54% probability (aggressive style). This is without changing on the spending side, home renovation, new car, and college cost.

                  Part of the added security and confident is our tax deferred accounts + ROTH while continue to be saving aggressively towards retirement consistently while thinking we are not entitled to anything.
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                  • #10
                    Although I listed my pension in my Early Retirement thread, I really don't count on it whenever I run any calculations. My employer got rid of the Pension plan a few years ago, and they used some type of formula to fund a Cash Balance account for existing employees. It earns interest but the company no longer funds it in any way. Instead they make a contribution (in addition to matching) to employee 401ks. I don't even factor that into my planning either. How they contribute to retirement has changed at least 3 times in the past 10 years and none of those changes were made in favor of employees.

                    I also watched my father get screwed over in retirement by Bankruptcy court. He didn't lose his pension but he lost all of his healthcare benefits. That made his final years really tough. Pretty sure my mother is still paying hospital bills he should not have had.

                    So personally I view retirement income from my employer or government as a bonus. If it is there, wonderful. But it does not factor into my planning.

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                    • #11
                      Yes, we plan on retiring. But it won't be a golf course/travel sort of retirement. The reason for this is that we have already traveled very extensively, and injury and surgery has made 18 holes next to impossible to finish.

                      The current exit strategy is to complete a purchase of a beach front property, build a rental home, and operate that for a stream of income to supplement savings and government benefits.

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                      • #12
                        All of my retirement is in the state of CA. I worked for 16.5 years, although a few of them are part time years when the kids were babies, so I think I have a credit of 12 years total.

                        DH worked for 10 years in CA and then now has worked in NC for 11, but he doesn't work for the state so it shouldn't matter.

                        If I can get a job now, I plan to work for 15-20 years depending on how long I last. 20 years is the magic number to get health benefits in retirement. But that is beyond 63 years old.

                        All that to say......our pension should be pretty secure, especially my husband's.

                        His goal is to retire and move to Florida and work on a golf course at Disney for "fun." That is not my dream. He can work on a golf course here in NC or we can move back to California. I told him those are his choices.

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                        • #13
                          I don't have a pension, but a few years ago my mom retired and she elected to take her pension in a lump sum, because she was worried about the safety and security of it.
                          Brian

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by bjl584 View Post
                            I don't have a pension, but a few years ago my mom retired and she elected to take her pension in a lump sum, because she was worried about the safety and security of it.
                            Do you happen to know what the discount rate was?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Nutria View Post
                              Do you happen to know what the discount rate was?
                              No. I don't know any of the details other than she took a lump sum and rolled it into an IRA. My stepdad keeps watch over her investments.
                              Brian

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