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  • Where You Live & the 50/30/20 Rule

    This one looks good from a practical budgeting perspective.

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    Where You Live & the 50/30/20 Rule

    Posted February 14, 2017 by Ben Carlson

    There’s an old personal finance rule of thumb called the 50/30/20 rule that states you should spend roughly 50% of your income on necessities (housing, transportation, healthcare and other bills), 30% of your income on wants (dining out, travel, entertainment, etc.) and 20% of your income on savings or paying off debt.

    Life is never quite so cut and dry as simple rules of thumb, but this probably isn’t a bad starting point. The problem many people face when trying to get their personal finances in order is that they focus on trying to cut back on the 30% category and ignore the importance of the 50% category. The big purchases in your 50% spending category can have a huge impact on your finances because, for the most part, they’re fixed expenses. You have to pay them on a regular basis and they are more or less set in stone. That means getting them right up front can have a huge impact on your bottom line.

    For example, the average cost of a new car in the U.S. is around $34,000. Assuming a 5% interest rate on a 60-month loan term, that’s almost $650/month for your car payment and that’s before considering the cost of insurance, registration, gas, maintenance, etc. The total cost could end up being $1,000/month or so all-in. If you can afford it and are safely putting away money for your retirement and your kids’ college savings fund, that’s great. I’m just guessing most people driving around in brand new cars aren’t always in great shape financially.

    But the biggest chunk of your spending will typically go towards housing. And how much you spend on housing has as much to do with where you live than anything. Zillow recently released data on a number of different housing markets across the country and calculated what the mortgage burden (% of income spent) on housing looks like depending on the specific city or metropolitan area:

    Cities with the greatest mortgage burden

    Palo Alto, CA – 75.4%
    Passaic, NJ -- 45.7%
    Santa Monica, CA -- 66.1%
    Evanston, IL -- 20.1%
    Lewisville, TX -- 16.1%
    Wilmington, DE -- 13.7%
    Baytown, TX -- 9.9%
    Washington, DC -- 29.9%
    Miami, FL -- 42.8%
    Sandy Springs, GA -- 26.4%
    Boston, MA -- 35.9%
    Berkeley, CA -- 58.4%
    Rochester Hills, MI -- 15.3%
    Upland, CA -- 35.2%
    Scottsdale, AZ -- 23.6%

    The highest ratio by far was Palo Alto, CA, which makes sense given so many people are trying to move to Silicon Valley for technology jobs. But the average ratio of income spent there on housing is surreal. I don’t understand how anyone — beyond tech millionaires, billionaires, and the Golden State Warriors — can afford to live there. In fact, the majority of the highest mortgage burdens reside in California. I get it. The weather, the ocean and the lifestyle make it a tough place to beat but this can put a huge strain on the family budget.

    There are a number of larger cities that see housing costs over 20% of income. On the other end of the spectrum is Detroit, where the average mortgage burden is less than 6%.

    The obvious conclusion here is that it’s much more expensive to live in a large metro area. Smaller cities such as St. Louis, Atlanta, Indianapolis and San Antonio are much more affordable than LA, NYC, Seattle or San Francisco. Maybe those places aren’t quite as exciting but life is always a series of trade-offs.

    The usual caveats apply here. Everyone’s personal finances are personal. Most of the time where we end up living is based on where we were born, where we would like to work, luck or a bad break. Higher incomes can offset a lot of the higher cost of living in a large city, but that really depends on your line of work. You could also save money living in a big city by cutting down on transportation expenses by not having a car. Also, many people get around the housing issue in big cities by renting or sharing space with roommates.

    I’m not trying to judge people on how much they spend on their house and car or where they live. Finances aren’t everything in life but if you’re struggling to get ahead financially it makes sense to consider the cost of living where you decide to put down roots.

    Link: http://awealthofcommonsense.com/2017...e-503020-rule/
    james.c.hendrickson@gmail.com
    202.468.6043

  • #2
    That rule of thumb is indeed a common one here on the forums as well. We use it ourselves, though with some adjustments. I consider non-mortgage debts (such as car loans or credit card debt) to be a "want". Also, I change the balance to be 50% needs/30% savings/20% wants, to focus more on saving.

    One reason I like this structure is that I can use it as a broad, very simple budget. As long as we keep our needs within 50% of my income & save 30% each month, I don't feel the need to micromanage the remaining 20%, and we can truly spend it as we "want" to.

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    • #3
      Having lived in places of HCOLA I can say yes people spend more on housing. But because of it they spend less on other areas. It's just how it rolls. Even renting you spend more because you can't get it less. It's less than owning but it's still a bigger % then owners in other parts of the country.

      The lifestyle is the trade off you are willing to make. And that forces you into the situation of living on less but still spending a fortune on housing
      LivingAlmostLarge Blog

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      • #4
        Originally posted by LivingAlmostLarge View Post
        Having lived in places of HCOLA I can say yes people spend more on housing. But because of it they spend less on other areas.
        Exactly. If you can't fit into 50/30/20, then you need to do 60/20/20 or some other variation. Where people run into trouble is when they "steal" from the savings category instead of cutting back in the wants category.
        Steve

        * Despite the high cost of living, it remains very popular.
        * Why should I pay for my daughter's education when she already knows everything?
        * There are no shortcuts to anywhere worth going.

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        • #5
          75% is damn insane

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          • #6
            Noone in Palo Alto spends 75 percent of their household income on mortgage payments. No bank would ever make that loan. What Zillow did was compare the median value home to the median household income. From the Zillow article:

            To calculate mortgage burden, Zillow first computes the monthly mortgage payment for the median-valued home in a city using the city-level Zillow Home Value Index for June of a given year and the 30-year fixed mortgage interest rate during that time period, provided by the Freddie Mac Primary Mortgage Market Survey (based on a 20 percent down payment). Using one-year estimates of city-level median household income data from the U.S. Census Bureau's American Community Survey, Zillow calculates the proportion of monthly median household income that goes towards the monthly median mortgage payment for each city.

            People in Palo Alto that earn the median household income do not own in Palo Alto, unless they bought their houses decades ago. They rent. And for the most part, they rent apartments. There is more than enough demand from people with high incomes and/or a lot of cash for the $2MM and up houses in Palo Alto.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by AnotherReader View Post
              Noone in Palo Alto spends 75 percent of their household income on mortgage payments. No bank would ever make that loan. What Zillow did was compare the median value home to the median household income.
              What an incredibly stupid and meaningless number to report.

              It would make plenty of sense to report the median income of people actually buying the median priced homes. It makes no sense at all to report on people who couldn't even begin to think about buying those homes.
              Steve

              * Despite the high cost of living, it remains very popular.
              * Why should I pay for my daughter's education when she already knows everything?
              * There are no shortcuts to anywhere worth going.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by AnotherReader View Post
                What Zillow did was compare the median value home to the median household income.
                Originally posted by disneysteve View Post
                What an incredibly stupid and meaningless number to report.
                BAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

                I don't remember the specific article about which I recently made this point, but this is such a perfect example of "journalism" that manipulates facts & statistics in order to make whatever point or argument suits their preferences & opinions. As with the last one -- "click bait."

                Thank you so much for pointing out the idiocy of their statistic. I really enjoyed the laugh
                Last edited by kork13; 04-03-2017, 05:11 PM.

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                • #9
                  I meant to say mortgage payment for a median priced house. The principle is the same.

                  Here's a cheap, 3 bedroom, 1 bath house on a 6,300 sf lot at only $1.8MM.

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