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    Okay, so I've been saving very regularly, about 25%-40% of my income over the past 8 months and I expect to have ~$20k by the end of April at my current earnings/savings rate. I have $18.3k currently, $16k in my "EF" at Ally earning 1%. I'm stable enough that I've definitely decided to invest. I've been doing my research and following the markets for a while now (radio and apps) but I do have some questions that Google didn't quite answer conclusively.

    Side note: I have opened Betterment, Wealthfront and Vanguard accounts but have only invested in Betterment's 80/20 portfolio as yet. ($400). Accidentally put money into Vanguard before realizing I needed $1k minimum, ideally $3k. Unfortunately it's going to be at least another week before my bank is "verified" and can switch it over to Betterment. Ugh. From reading this forum I know some of you are long time Vanguard fans but their website could use a makeover. Very confusing for first time investors.

    Anyway, here are my questions:

    1. I have already filed my 2015 return and received my refund. Is it too late to claim a credit for putting at least $2k into my Roth by April 18 for the 2015 tax year? I would be eligible for a 20% credit. Is this something I can get done next tax season (and still get the credit for last year's contributions)?

    2. If the above answer is NO, should I max out 2015 anyway? And if so should I do it in one lump sum or do dollar cost averaging? (I only have until April so the contributions would be large.)

    3. Is there a magic formula for what percent should I invest, save for emergencies, etc.? I'm relieved that with Roth IRAs the principle can be withdrawn tax free at any time. If I had $200k I might do something different but with my relatively limited savings I don't want it all tied up in a MM or CDs. I know everyone's situation is different but I'm having a very difficult time deciding what to do. Should I just max out for '15 and '16 and save the rest in my EF? $18.3k - $11k (2 x 5,500) still leaves me with $7,300 which would cover my living expenses for 8 months. (I am very frugal/cheap.) Is there such a thing as a "too large" EF?

    Thank you for any answers. Sorry if my post is redundant in any way.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Koolmagicguy View Post

    1. I have already filed my 2015 return and received my refund. Is it too late to claim a credit for putting at least $2k into my Roth by April 18 for the 2015 tax year?

    2. If the above answer is NO, should I max out 2015 anyway? And if so should I do it in one lump sum or do dollar cost averaging? (I only have until April so the contributions would be large.)
    There is no upfront tax benefit to funding a Roth because it is done with after-tax dollars. The fact that you've already filed shouldn't matter but double check that with your accountant.

    Definitely fund 2015 if you are able. One thing you can never get back is time so do it now if you can.

    As for lump sum or DCA, as you noted, you need to put the money in by April 15 but that doesn't mean you need to invest it right away. You could but $5,500 into a money market account within the Roth and then DCA from there. Or, considering it is still February, you could just make 3 or 4 deposits between now and April and do it that way.
    Steve

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    • #3
      1. You can file an amended tax return for 2015 now. I never realized there was a saver's credit for a Roth. Based on the income requirements your savings ability is impressive.

      2. Not sure how your Roth account is setup but my contributions go into a cash fund, then I invest when I want. So not sure why you'd have to DCA your contributions, unless you do the investing right away.

      3. 6 months emergency fund. I was surprised by your comment about tying your money up in a MM or CD.. CD yes, but given your limited savings you want that as liquid as possible so a MM would be good.

      Investments should be viewed as money you do not need for the next 5 years or so (assuming you practice long term investing).

      Do you have a 401k or other retirement account through your employer?


      My EF is now at 60k; down from 80k this time last year.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Jluke View Post
        I never realized there was a saver's credit for a Roth. .
        Me neither.
        Steve

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        • #5
          I just filled out my amended tax return via TurboTax and printed it out. (Has to be mailed.) Turns out I'll be getting an additional $698 for investing $2,000! Slightly lower than the .5 credit because I withdrew from my 401k in October.

          I plan to put at least 2k per year into my Roth and invest outside of it if I have extra. Thanks for your advice!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Koolmagicguy View Post
            I just filled out my amended tax return via TurboTax and printed it out. (Has to be mailed.) Turns out I'll be getting an additional $698 for investing $2,000! Slightly lower than the .5 credit because I withdrew from my 401k in October.

            I plan to put at least 2k per year into my Roth and invest outside of it if I have extra. Thanks for your advice!
            Are you sure you did your taxes correctly? You'd get a tax break for investing in a traditional IRA, but I don't think you get any break for investing in a Roth IRA.

            As to your general questions regarding investing, start here:

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            • #7
              Originally posted by feh View Post
              Are you sure you did your taxes correctly? You'd get a tax break for investing in a traditional IRA, but I don't think you get any break for investing in a Roth IRA.
              I was thinking the same thing when I first read it, but you can get a percentage of what you put in as a credit on your taxes depending on how much you make.

              For example if you were married filing jointly with an AGI less than $36,500 you'd get a 50% credit of your contribution and up to less than $61,000 where you would get a 10% credit.
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              • #8
                The Retirement savers credit is based on your AGI so it doesn't matter if you use a Roth or traditional. From form 8880
                line 1 Traditional and RothIRA contributions for 2015. Do not include rollover contributions

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by feh View Post
                  Are you sure you did your taxes correctly? You'd get a tax break for investing in a traditional IRA, but I don't think you get any break for investing in a Roth IRA.

                  As to your general questions regarding investing, start here:

                  https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Bogl...g_start-up_kit
                  I use TurboTax, so I'm pretty sure I did it right. Something like 50% of people earning less than 50k/year are aware of the credit. You are thinking of the deduction.

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