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    Hey everybody. I recalled someone talking about Calamos's funds a while back on here. Particularly their close ended funds, CHI, CHY, and CHW are the (3) I'm researching. I have been ready many different articles from investopia, morningstar, and other financial review/industry sites.

    It seems that the main differences in close end funds opposed to mutual funds are reasonably understandable. They have a fixed number of "shares" available, They can invest in long term equities and investments, so they don't have to have such immediate liquidity, and as far as I have seen they seem to offer more consistent dividends with less fluctuation in market share price. (granted this is only in the income funds I have been observing).

    I have gathered that Calamos tries to keep investors in by offering very consistant 8-10% annual dividends that are paid out on a monthly basis to provide income or high frequency DRIPS. If I am correct they are maintaining longer term investments and paying a more controlled dividend, instead of paying out maximum returns. I think this is so that they can continue to pay the expected dividend when markets fall or need to correct themselves every few years. So the idea is they have a ceiling in place, but provide more consistent returns.

    I am trying to get more clarity on how the shares sell at either a premium or discount from their NAV (NET ASSET VALUE) to their market price.

    So the pro for a CEF over a Mutual fund would be, consistency over longer periods.
    The Con would be a ceiling of how much return you could get in a year ( but also exposed to potential losses).

    Does this seem accurate to anyone who knows or is experienced with the fundamentals of close end funds?

    Currently CHY, CHI, and CHW are all respectively paying a dividend between 9-10% ($.095 monthly off of a share price of $11.43). If I'm understanding this right, then it sounds like a great place to put some cash to build very modestly and consistently. Many of these funds have been around for over 10 years and have yet to fail to pay a solid dividend, even during 2008-9 stock crisis.

    I'm very interested to hear what you guys know, I am trying to avoid a pitfall because I'm planning to re-allocate some sagging funds I have inherited from an Ameriprise account I have.

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    Was hoping someone would have some. Experiences worth mentioning with close end funds. But I may have been mistaken lol

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    • #3
      The two main things I look at in a CEF (besides what they invest in course) is their distribution and their leverage. Distribution would be the first in that if a significant amount of it comes from return of capital, I'd look elsewhere since they're basically giving you back your own money. Leverage comes into play since the higher the leverage the more volatility will be experienced.

      Out of the three Calamos' Funds you've mentioned CHY and CHI have the least amount of return of capital (actually not bad) and the leverage is kinda high, although probably considered "normal" for these types, at around 30%.

      The problem these funds are experiencing right now is the anticipation of the Fed raising the Federal funds rate which could cause short term interest rates to go up. And for the most part this is where these funds borrow the money to gain the leverage. I'm not sure exactly about these specific funds but it's likely that's what they do as well.

      They are trading at a pretty steep discount right now but if I were to invest in them I might be inclined to wait it out a bit and see what the Fed does in September. If they do raise the rates, these funds will most likely fall even further and then may be a good time to get in. Don't take my opinion as investing advice by any means but that's what I would be thinking.
      The easiest thing of all is to deceive one's self; for what a man wishes, he generally believes to be true.
      - Demosthenes

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      • #4
        I appreciate your advice. I had a little excess of capital to invest , and I wanted to experiment with cefs. Also I have never used a stock to pay dividends as cash, I've always just used drips. I'm considering converting a sizable chunk of ameriprise funds (that are fairly stagnant) over to the cefs if the discount becomes any greater. And I suppose waiting until September will be a suitable timer.

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        • #5
          Researching Close end funds, ( CEF 's)

          A closed-ended fund is a combined investment fund which has a limited number of shares. Just like any other limited company, it issues a set variety of shares in an initial public offering and they trade on an exchange. Its share price is identified not by the total value of the assets it keeps, but by investor demand for its shares. Once the fund's capital is fully released, investors must buy shares in a secondary market from existing shareholders. The buying and selling activity of closed-end funds does not have an effect on the fund's assets as the number of shares released is set. This means that the value of closed-ended funds can vary from the Net Asset Value (NAV) reliant upon market share price.

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          • #6
            Thanks for the contributions. After monitoring these since my research I have bought in twice. Already had the dividends pay for the past two months. I felt a little better about my decision to buy in after I made my first purchase, when I heard the disciplined investor pod cast mention how attractive the discounts looked. I am planning on injecting the last few grand of what I was planning on using in the next couple months.

            I'm just relieved to be getting an 11% annual divided paid out monthly instead of stagnating in those American funds I inherited.

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