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    Several investment club members I have joined have a very unique investment idea.

    The basic investment scenario is as follows: Put the maximum funding into a Universal Life Insurance policy with as little insurance as possible, as allowed by law. (Some parties are taking their IRA monies, paying the taxes and penalties for these monies). The UL policy invests in the S&P 500 or similar investment vehicle. Then take loans from the policy based on the monies invested. Loan charge is typically 6% and can create arbitrage if able to re-invest monies and get a higher return. The loan amount does not reduce your investment in the UL policy, and all the monies continue to grow tax deferred. Loans can be re-paid with monies re-invested. This will enhance your overall returns since all the monies in the policy grows compounded, tax deferred, and also get a return on difference of re-invested loan monies over and above the cost of the loan. At retirement, initially take out your principal investment, tax free, then take out loans on the interest earned, again tax free since these are loans. The loans are never paid back and reduce the death benefit. The growth in the policy will pay for the insurance premiums to keep it in force.

    The idea is create your own bank to provide investment monies, as needed, assuming the monies can be re-invested at a return above the loan amount of 6%.

    Does this sound reasonable? And why or why not?

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    Re: Universal Life Policy As An Investment?

    No thanks

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    • #3
      Re: Universal Life Policy As An Investment?

      The fees, at the article above points out, are often hidden and add up a lot. This is not to mention that you would need to beat 6%. While stocks historically beat that, if your first few years are down years, you are basically screwed. Not nearly worth the risk.

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      • #4
        Re: Universal Life Policy As An Investment?

        Originally posted by Sweepsplayer
        Ditto.

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        • #5
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          Originally posted by Sweepsplayer
          Same here. Keep your investments and your insurance separate from each other.
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          • #6
            Re: Universal Life Policy As An Investment?

            The advisors of Ameriprise, formerly American Express Financial Advisors, would surely put you into a great Variable Universal Life policy.

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            • #7
              The idea is most often derived from from Missed Fortune Home Page

              This strategy can advantageous at higher income levels where you are restricted from doing a Roth IRA and then when 2010 rolls around, and the income limits go away, only at a level above your Roth Ira contribution limit.

              You also must have an advisor/agent who will put a great deal of effort into helping you understand the ups and the downs and do regular annual reviews with you to monitor the policy. The loan/investment arbitrage idea in it is crap but the tax free retirement income is a very useful strategy given the right situation.

              The key is the product choice and fee structure. Using a standard off the shelf UL policy that is a mainline product is typically going to be the wrong one. Certain companies have products designed specifically for concepts like this. They include walk away windows where the surrender charges go away during certain years in the first 10 in case you decide against the strategy, zero net cost loans, secondary guarantees, interest free catch up features and the like.

              I will say that 80-90% of the people I have met who have or have been pitched the idea are the wrong people for it. Unfortunately you get agents who learn this or the other latest sales concept and start using this hammer as their only tool while tossing the rest of the toolbox. We all know when all you have is a hammer everything starts to look like a nail.

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              • #8
                Life insurance is to replace income for people in my income bracket. Thus I go with term and am covered. Insurance fo r me is not an "investment" vehicle" it is to replace my income if something unfortunate should happen!

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                • #9
                  Term Life Insurance

                  Insurance fo r me is not an "investment" vehicle" it is to replace my income if something unfortunate should happen!
                  Quite true, the average person would never have a need of any other type of life insurance policy other than a term policy or low cost universal life policy (absent estate planning issues, high income levels, and the exhausting of other investing alternatives).

                  What do you think about Return of Premium Term? Is it worthwhile for the majority of people or just those that would profit from the "forced savings" part of ROP term? (Personally, I can see pros and cons to each side and of course it depends on each individuals specific goals and life insurance needs but just wondering...)

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