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  • #46
    Originally posted by QuarterMillionMan View Post
    What about when someone ask to switch seats on a plane. Like for like (ie, aisle for aisle is okay with me), but not aisle (me) for middle (requester).
    We choose our seats when we buy our tickets, and we pay accordingly.

    That said, if we could get equivalent seats, like move from the left side to the right side or from row 19 to row 21, sure, I'd be probably be okay with that. But if I bought an aisle seat, as I always do, I'm not swapping for a middle or window seat unless maybe the airline offers me some compensation.
    Steve

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    * Why should I pay for my daughter's education when she already knows everything?
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    • #47
      I'd swap seats so a family or group could be together, and I'm pretty sure I have before. I'd rather swap seats than have people in my business talking across me, or trying to manage their kids on the other side of me, or something. But that doesn't really happen in first class and I don't have a preference there for a window or aisle, either is fine, so it's not really an issue

      I try to consider what is just, and not only what is in self interest. But sometimes self interest should and does come first. If someone asks to switch with me just because they'd rather have an aisle seat than a middle, sorry, take that up with the flight crew.
      History will judge the complicit.

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      • #48
        1) you find $100 on the floor near the cashier while waiting in line?
        If its by the register I'd turn it in. A$100 will always be a $100 but its not much in my whole picture. If its in a parking lot I would just keep it.

        2) your bank statement shows $5000 more than you should have?
        Tell them. They will find it eventually.

        3) you sit down at a slot machine and notice $20 in credits already in the machine?
        Play it.

        4) Brinks truck driving w/money flying out the back door and cars pulling over to grab the cash, do you pull over and grab cash too?
        No cash grab. I am pretty sure that would be prosecutable.

        5) find a purse or wallet w/$1000 cash but no ID, nor no credit cards with names, do you turn it in to the police?
        Turn it in. If its not claimed it will usually be retuned to you.

        6) Any other scenarios?

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        • #49
          3) you sit down at a slot machine and notice $20 in credits and play it, then when it's near zero a woman shows up and makes a scene yelling at you hysterical saying that was my $20 in the machine you SOB, "I want my money back!" Now what do you do?

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          • #50
            Originally posted by QuarterMillionMan View Post
            3) you sit down at a slot machine and notice $20 in credits and play it, then when it's near zero a woman shows up and makes a scene yelling at you hysterical saying that was my $20 in the machine you SOB, "I want my money back!" Now what do you do?
            This is also on the gambling industry to fix. I believe some casinos have ID cards you need to have inserted into the machine to play, with a landyard connecting that card to your person. When you get up, your card and credits all get up with you.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by QuarterMillionMan View Post
              3) you sit down at a slot machine and notice $20 in credits and play it, then when it's near zero a woman shows up and makes a scene yelling at you hysterical saying that was my $20 in the machine you SOB, "I want my money back!" Now what do you do?
              Call security over to deal with her, so I don't end up going to jail by dealing with the situation myself? lol
              History will judge the complicit.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by myrdale View Post

                This is also on the gambling industry to fix. I believe some casinos have ID cards you need to have inserted into the machine to play, with a landyard connecting that card to your person. When you get up, your card and credits all get up with you.
                This isn’t how it works. Those cards are only for the loyalty club so you get credit for playing to earn comps. It is not tied to your money in any way.
                Steve

                * Despite the high cost of living, it remains very popular.
                * Why should I pay for my daughter's education when she already knows everything?
                * There are no shortcuts to anywhere worth going.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by ua_guy View Post

                  Call security over to deal with her, so I don't end up going to jail by dealing with the situation myself? lol
                  The problem is by playing those credits you actually committed theft. That money wasn’t yours. The same is true if you find a cash out ticket lying around.
                  Steve

                  * Despite the high cost of living, it remains very popular.
                  * Why should I pay for my daughter's education when she already knows everything?
                  * There are no shortcuts to anywhere worth going.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by disneysteve View Post

                    The problem is by playing those credits you actually committed theft. That money wasn’t yours. The same is true if you find a cash out ticket lying around.
                    I stand corrected. But, to that point, I don't go to casinos. I would have just assumed it was free play.
                    History will judge the complicit.

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                    • #55
                      I seriously doubt anyone would call that theft unless you shoved the lady out of her seat and started playing her credits.
                      If there is no evidence of anyone sitting there; no coat, purse, drink, etc. it is no more illegal than picking up a $5 bill you found lying on the floor.

                      If you get up and walk away, you are supposed to print out your credits. It takes one push of a button.
                      Leaving them on the machine assuming you will be able to come back and reclaim the machine is just stupid.

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                      • #56
                        I would have called a slot attendant and asked what is the policy in a situation like this. If she says play it, I'd play it. If she says it belongs to the casino have her retrieve the $20 and insert your $20 and play. Now, a number of different scenarios can happen since Atretes already played it and the hysterical woman made a scene. I don't have much time right now so I'll describe 1 scenario right now. The casino wants to find a middle ground but first let me say any found money or credits belongs to the casino (ie, credits on machine, green $25 chip on the floor, ticket for .28 cents in between machines, etc). The casino doesn't want 2 angry customers so the casino might just give $20 to the woman and send her on her merry way where the casino likely will continue to keep her as a customer likely to return to the casino. As for Atretes, the security guards and the GM in suit and tie will take Atretes into a back room and scare Atretes saying a crime was committed against the casino and prosecution could be an option but instead the casino will ban Atretes from returning and have Atretes sign a trespass order where if Atretes returns Atretes is subject to arrest. Casinos have a term for people like Atretes called "Silver miners" who scour the machines looking for remaining credits it a slot machine which Atretes will now be labeled as a silver miner. Casinos frown upon these low lifes and will have no problem minimizing people who practice silver mining and ban Atretes from returning to their casino. Later I'll describe another scenario which is a favorable outcome for everyone involved.

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                        • #57
                          At many gas stations here in Georgia, they have slot machines commonly referred to as "Ding Ding Machines". They are only suppose to gives store credit. But who is going to spend $500 in store credit at a corner grocery store? They are routinely busted by the cops for paying cash. There was actually a big bust in Floyd county a couple months ago across about 20 different locations who were given the choice of pay $10,000 fine or surrender the machines.

                          There was a shooting at one of these stations (I don't remember the county) about a month ago, over this exact topic from what I understand. Someone got up to go to the bathroom only to come back and find someone in their chair playing on their credit.

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                          • #58
                            Artetes could easily resolve the matter without the casino having to step in and when the hysterical woman who said "that was my $20 that you played." Arteres could easily pull out a $20 bill and hand it to the woman and problem solved.

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