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  • #91
    No there are certain things that need to be set federally and the separation of church and state is becoming very muddy. Especially since it's very white Christian right conservatives. I have many friends of many faiths and they would say that the US is becoming a white christian country instead of accepting all religions and making politics separate from religion.

    I'm not very religious but I'm terrified by what i see and read about the politics becoming christian. That the christian values and beliefs are the only ones that matter. For Kork, I have a friend who is mormon and she's taught her children they have a different bible than regular christian. They moved to texas recently and she hates it. She said that many people assume since they are white they are "christian" then they find out mormon and are judged quite a bit about their "bible". What happened to religious freedom?

    Another friend is moving there but since they look and are muslim it's a different boat. They will live in the Houston so it's fine but outside it might a bit of an issue to be muslim.

    Let's not get started on transgender rights or the poly relationship. Right now the government I think is moving way to far to the religious right of one type instead of accepting all religion. I don't know how it'll end.

    And yes abortion is eugenics. You know what else is? Aborting because you were told you have down syndrome and other abnormalities. I have multiple friends who have aborted in the first trimester especially since you can not tell by CVT by 9 weeks. Personally? I would have as well. When we thought we were pregnant a third time accidentally and I was older, I wanted tested to immediately know and I told (not asked) my husband the line in the sand was X, Y, Z. We did not have a third it didn't stick but I was very firmly in the camp of not taking a chance. I had 2 kids and I did not want a handicap child. And I know MANY MANY more like myself, including multiple women who did have an abortion because of testing. I also know people who selectively picked "healthy" embroys from IVF because you can test before implantation for genetic mutations.

    All of these women/families chose to have healthy children. They made a conscious decision. I know a woman who have close to 1/2 abortions/miscarriages because genetic testing revealed problems. She had two and finally accepted they weren't meant to have a large family. So no it's not an easy choice but at least it is a choice.

    By pretty much tossing abortions back to the states - there will be women who are "rich" and will have early genetic testing and they will want to have an abortion because they are 40 years old and told they have a baby with down syndrome. What will once be hidden will no longer be. You know the rate of down syndrome now almost gone because of prenatal testing and parents choosing to terminate. There will be big financial implications since families can't terminate at will.
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    • #92
      Originally posted by Petunia 100 View Post
      Now add statistics for how many of each race live in poverty or just above. Let's see if we don't notice something.
      Instead lets look at two factors that prevent one from entering poverty, graduating from high school, and waiting until your married to have kids.

      High School Graduation Rates by Race
      Asian 93%
      White 89%
      Hispanic 82%
      Black 80%

      Children Born out of Wedlock
      1965 2000
      White 10% 30%
      Black 30% 60%

      Note this second set of numbers if from a Thomas Sowell video. The numbers I've listed are from memory, I'll have to update later.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by myrdale View Post

        Instead lets look at two factors that prevent one from entering poverty, graduating from high school, and waiting until your married to have kids.

        High School Graduation Rates by Race
        Asian 93%
        White 89%
        Hispanic 82%
        Black 80%

        Children Born out of Wedlock
        1965 2000
        White 10% 30%
        Black 30% 60%

        Note this second set of numbers if from a Thomas Sowell video. The numbers I've listed are from memory, I'll have to update later.
        So your argument has morphed from "abortion = eugenics" into "there are times when it is financially unwise to have a child". I completely agree that there are times when it is financially unwise to have a child. That is one of the reasons I would never presume to interfere with someone else's decisions regarding reproduction.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by disneysteve View Post

          Absolutely not. Medical care shouldn't be decided by a vote or by politicians or by courts. The only people involved in the decisions should be patients and their healthcare providers.
          This line got crossed a lot in regards to Covid vaccinations.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by Petunia 100 View Post

            So your argument has morphed from "abortion = eugenics" into "there are times when it is financially unwise to have a child". I completely agree that there are times when it is financially unwise to have a child. That is one of the reasons I would never presume to interfere with someone else's decisions regarding reproduction.
            No.

            I am in agreement that the statement that abortion is being used as a form of eugenics is a valid argument.

            I am also in agreement that your statement "there are times when it is financially unwise to have a child" is true.

            I am arguing that personal choices lead to poverty. Also I would love to see statistics of how effective abortion is at raising a woman out of poverty. I suspect it has little to no effect. I have seen stats that state most mothers who abort their children are in their 20's and already have one existing child.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by Fishindude77 View Post

              This line got crossed a lot in regards to Covid vaccinations.
              Not at all. Schools and employers have always had the right to require certain vaccinations as a condition of enrollment or employment. COVID was nothing new. My job requires an annual flu shot, TB test, and immunity to measles, mumps, rubella, and hepatitis B (and vaccination if you aren't immune). Adding COVID to the list was a non-issue. You didn't have to get one any more than you have to get all the other things, but you do if you want to work there. Of course, legit medical exemptions were permitted. I know at least a couple of my coworkers who have not been vaccinated for medical reasons.
              Steve

              * Despite the high cost of living, it remains very popular.
              * Why should I pay for my daughter's education when she already knows everything?
              * There are no shortcuts to anywhere worth going.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Fishindude77 View Post
                This line got crossed a lot in regards to Covid vaccinations.
                Shhh! It doesn't count when the shoe is on the other foot.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by myrdale View Post
                  Shhh! It doesn't count when the shoe is on the other foot.
                  How so? If a patient and their doctor determined that it was medically inappropriate for them to be vaccinated, they could get a medical exemption. I know numerous people at my job and elsewhere who did just that even though their employers were requiring the vaccination. The decision wasn't made for them at the polls or by the state house or in the court system. It was made medically, just as the decision regarding who can terminate a pregnancy should be made.
                  Steve

                  * Despite the high cost of living, it remains very popular.
                  * Why should I pay for my daughter's education when she already knows everything?
                  * There are no shortcuts to anywhere worth going.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by myrdale View Post
                    Shhh! It doesn't count when the shoe is on the other foot.
                    If only it were the same concept, but it's not. But I doubt anyone will encourage your thought process there. If hypocrisy is the worst thing you can come up with, meh.
                    History will judge the complicit.

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                    • Originally posted by disneysteve View Post

                      Not at all. Schools and employers have always had the right to require certain vaccinations as a condition of enrollment or employment. COVID was nothing new. My job requires an annual flu shot, TB test, and immunity to measles, mumps, rubella, and hepatitis B (and vaccination if you aren't immune). Adding COVID to the list was a non-issue. You didn't have to get one any more than you have to get all the other things, but you do if you want to work there. Of course, legit medical exemptions were permitted. I know at least a couple of my coworkers who have not been vaccinated for medical reasons.
                      FishingDude nailed it about lines being crossed with COVID vaxing. I like how disneysteve deflected it by cherry-picking schools and certain employers requiring it (ie, healthcare). In New York public sector workers were fired for not getting it but now mayor Eric Adams will rehire those workers if they get the vax by July 6. Police were trying to claim medical exemptions but last I heard weren't granted. It was pretty ugly at one point in time but I think it got better. But to say not at all that lines were being crossed is a far stretch of imagination, lol.

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                      • Safe to say savings advice has become the armpit of "financial" related topics.

                        kuddos to quartermillion for making epic controversial threads with tons of replies that has nothing to do with finance. You won the internet.

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                        • Originally posted by rennigade View Post
                          Safe to say savings advice has become the armpit of "financial" related topics.

                          kuddos to quartermillion for making epic controversial threads with tons of replies that has nothing to do with finance. You won the internet.
                          So keep scrolling if you don't like it.
                          History will judge the complicit.

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