Roe vs Wade financial impacts, no politics

[QuarterMillionMan]

Big tech giving employees $4000 - $7000 to travel out of state for abortions. Uber will cover attorney fees for its drivers if sued transporting a woman to an abortion site, etc.

[ua_guy]

Also, all of us guys who are mansplaining and giving opinions really have no say. Not our bodies, not something we're ever going to experience, never have, never will. Women have the most important jobs, they grow people inside them. If men had to push a baby through their penis, we would have been extinct a long time ago : ) Just sayin. Im throwing in the towel.

We do have a say. The right to privacy is not abridged by gender or sex or religious beliefs. We can stand up with women and fight with them for their rights -- I certainly will be. Just as the women in my life were allies and advocates for me, and fought alongside me for my rights.

[disneysteve]

The governor of S. Dakota has said she wants to ban telehealth prescribing of pills to terminate pregnancy. And you can be sure she'll do her best to ban getting them in person, too. “These are very dangerous medical procedures,” Noem argued. Except that's entirely false. These are exceedingly safe procedures and medications. If she was going after them because they were dangerous, I'd fully support that, but we all know that isn't the reason.

[ua_guy]

The governor of S. Dakota has said she wants to ban telehealth prescribing of pills to terminate pregnancy. And you can be sure she'll do her best to ban getting them in person, too. “These are very dangerous medical procedures,” Noem argued. Except that's entirely false. These are exceedingly safe procedures and medications. If she was going after them because they were dangerous, I'd fully support that, but we all know that isn't the reason.

More thinly-veiled religious agenda. Chemotherapy is a dangerous medical procedure, but we don't hear that in the disdainful murmurs of the church.

[myrdale]

I didn't say otherwise. But since you mentioned it, I wonder how long it will be before men in red states are required to take a bus to a different state to receive medical care. Probably a really, really long time.

If a man wants to pay a doctor....to look a woman, this may require a trip across state lines, or even an international flight.

But back in the world of sanity, I should imagine 1000's of men travel across state lines each year for specialized health care as is.

[myrdale]

So, screw those people? I'm not sure I can logically connect (any) of your reasoning here.

The argument is they are the exception rather than the rule. An abortion for the purposes of rape or incest (I don't understand how this is also not rape) should be an instant trigger for a criminal investigation and a felony convection of the father. But also consider the child did not choose who begot him.

[ua_guy]

If a man wants to pay a doctor to mutilate his body so he looks like a woman, this may require a trip across state lines, or even an international flight.

But back in the world of sanity, I should imagine 1000's of men travel across state lines each year for specialized health care as is.

Do you want to bring up Transgender rights? I'm sure plenty of people would be willing to discuss it with you.

[myrdale]

Those attacks would be targeted at people like me, a gay man married to a same-sex partner, who has same-sex intercourse. Sorry to go there, but apparently it keeps Clarence Thomas up at night because what I do in privacy with a consenting adult bothers him and a few others. I can empathize with the anger of women who were targeted with the rollback of Roe v Wade. But I viscerally feel the anger in my situation and am ready to spend and act accordingly. I'm done being nice; the conservative right causes me actual hate when they meddle in things which don't concern them.

My husband and I will need to preemptively put in place duplicative legal protections for ourselves, which I estimated above will cost us more than $10,000 in legal fees. And that doesn't take into consideration the amount of money we will be donating to groups like ACLU, HRC, Planned Parenthood, and other groups going forward.

No one is going to be peaking in your window at night to see what your doing. No one cares.

All you two NEED is a will and power of attorney, and everyone needs that regardless of their situation.

And the money you CHOOSE to donate to those groups is again your choice. You really can't complain about that.

[myrdale]

Legal abortion may be a subtle form of eugenics........

Making abortion illegal now forces us to keep "undesirables" which puts a drain on our social services and welfare system so I can see why some want to keep the status quo of keeping it legal. I'm trying to make sense of the macro economics, not necessarily the micro economics. But there should be some exceptions though such as rape, incest, detrimental medical complications to the mother, etc. Am I being hypocritical (lol)?

When you look at the statistics of racial break down of abortions performed, that it is a form of eugenics is absolutely true.

33% of abortions are White women.
38% of abortions are Black women.
21% of abortions are Hispanic.

58% of the population is White.
19% of the population is Hispanic.
12% of the population is Black.

That 12% of the population makes up nearly half of all abortions, that is far beyond subtle. It is whole sale slaughter.

As far as classifying anyone as undesirable is absolutely untrue.

[ua_guy]

No one is going to be peaking in your window at night to see what your doing. No one cares.

All you two NEED is a will and power of attorney, and everyone needs that regardless of their situation.

And the money you CHOOSE to donate to those groups is again your choice. You really can't complain about that.

Don't you ever tell me "All you two need.." -- because, no, you're wrong. More than a will and power of attorney is needed. I assume you understand the meaning of the word "donate", so yes, that piece is a choice.

You may also want to retract your statement about "no one cares" with regards to what I do in my bedroom. The ruling explicitly stated potentially reversing the legality of same-sex intercourse.

[myrdale]

Oh, that's kind of a lot of suits. According to that page, there are at least five petitions circulating to get marriage cases in front of the supreme court. So yeah, looks like you could be right.

Looking through the list of these (only clicked through half a dozen states), these are all people seeking to be married, and everything I saw listed was 2014 or 2015. Is this even current?

I think I've said it in another post, marriage in this country is a tax / legal status. And being that we have to pay federal income tax, it should be addressed on a federal level. I am not at all opposed to a new amendment that spells out that marriage is between two consenting adults, 18 yrs old or older.

[myrdale]

Don't you ever tell me "All you two need.." -- because, no, you're wrong. More than a will and power of attorney is needed. I assume you understand the meaning of the word "donate", so yes, that piece is a choice.

You may also want to retract your statement about "no one cares" with regards to what I do in my bedroom. The ruling explicitly stated potentially reversing the legality of same-sex intercourse.

Please explain how I am wrong. What other legal services are needed for your situation?

Personally I don't care what you do in your bedroom. And if you care what other people think about what you do in your bedroom, I would suggest you read "How to Stop Worrying and Start Living" by Dale Carnegie or "Meditations" by Marcus Aurelius.

[QuarterMillionMan]

Disneysteve illustrated numerous benefits same sex couples could lose but a major benefit he didn’t mention is medical insurance. If uaguy is covered under his husbands medical insurance from an employer uaguy would no longer be eligible thus forcing uaguy to seek his own medical insurance which would cost about $1000 a month, that’s a big deal if I had to pay it now when I was getting it for free.

[ua_guy]

Please explain how I am wrong. What other legal services are needed for your situation?

Personally I don't care what you do in your bedroom. And if you care what other people think about what you do in your bedroom, I would suggest you read "How to Stop Worrying and Start Living" by Dale Carnegie or "Meditations" by Marcus Aurelius.

Are you for real?

There's about ~1200 federal provisions in which marital status determines benefits/rights/privileges where a will and/or power of attorney doesn't even begin to cover.

And I do care what other people think about what I do in privacy with a consenting adult, when those people make it illegal, or punishable, because they don't like it. So don't tell me to stop worrying, or to meditate... If I told you the Supreme Court was going to outlaw heterosexual sex and nullify your marriage, I'm sure you'd pick up a book to "chill out".

[myrdale]

Are you for real?

There's about ~1200 federal provisions in which marital status determines benefits/rights/privileges where a will and/or power of attorney doesn't even begin to cover.

And I do care what other people think about what I do in privacy with a consenting adult, when those people make it illegal, or punishable, because they don't like it. So don't tell me to stop worrying, or to meditate... If I told you the Supreme Court was going to outlaw heterosexual sex and nullify your marriage, I'm sure you'd pick up a book to "chill out".

You've dodged the question yet again with more hysterics. Please explain exactly what the $10,000 in legal fees is to cover.

For the record I didn't tell you to do anything. I suggested you look into two separate books which have helped me tremendously.