Can we talk COVID and how it affected you financially, emotionally, physically, etc?

[rennigade]

Yep, but since far too many people don’t care about anyone but themselves, that’s not going to happen.

Its not my responsibility to keep other people healthy. But, this is the new norm. Its now been normalized to feel so entitled that people now think they're entitled for others to protect their own health.

We live in an awesome country. We have a lot of freedoms. You and others have the freedom to wear masks as long as you would like.

[Snydley]

Leana Wen is an idiot. Harsh but true. She has led to many people dying with her dim-witted comments.

Rennigade- if YOU are sick, you would rather spread that illness to others than wear a many only on the days you have symptoms? It's interesting how you have no sense of community and compassion, and you don't want to be part of a society that shows you that courtesy so that you don't get sick from a random person you encounter in a public place. I'd explore that with a therapist (I do not mean this in a snarky way, it's interesting).

[disneysteve]

I don’t know how to explain to someone why they should care about other people.

[james.hendrickson]

Leana Wen is an idiot. Harsh but true. She has led to many people dying with her dim-witted comments.

Rennigade- if YOU are sick, you would rather spread that illness to others than wear a many only on the days you have symptoms? It's interesting how you have no sense of community and compassion, and you don't want to be part of a society that shows you that courtesy so that you don't get sick from a random person you encounter in a public place. I'd explore that with a therapist (I do not mean this in a snarky way, it's interesting).

All - brief reminder, we try and minimize personal attacks here at the SA forums. Syndley, perhaps there is a way you could rephrase this?

[QuarterMillionMan]

Disney Steve is correct, I stand corrected.

This past July, Fox 35 Orlando reported that "a person who died in a motorcycle accident was added to Florida’s COVID-19 death count." In an updated story, they say their investigation led to another investigation, and that the death was ultimately removed from the county's COVID-19 death totals.

Verify researchers spoke on the phone with a spokesperson for the Florida Department of Health in Orange County.

They told us the death was initially recorded as a COVID-19 death after the victim tested positive. After the medical examiner and epidemiologist reviewed the death, they say they removed it from the COVID fatality list.

[ua_guy]

Its not my responsibility to keep other people healthy. But, this is the new norm. Its now been normalized to feel so entitled that people now think they're entitled for others to protect their own health.

We live in an awesome country. We have a lot of freedoms. You and others have the freedom to wear masks as long as you would like.

I think you're right; you have the freedom to not care about anyone else's health. But to that point, with so many people who could use your help even with such trivial gestures like washing your hands or staying home when you're sick, or wearing a mask if you're sick or even in a crowded public space, why not? Doing minimal-effort things like that are potentially beneficial to your own health, too. Instead of analyzing the economic or personal benefits, what if it's just the right thing to do?

[Snydley]

All - brief reminder, we try and minimize personal attacks here at the SA forums. Syndley, perhaps there is a way you could rephrase this?

I really don't find my post to be a personal attack. Rennigade could be a wonderful person who lacks this sense of community/empathy. I find his response interesting, that is all.

[QuarterMillionMan]

Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla, China is not buying vaccines (I think China has its own version although a lot less effective) but is buying Paxlovid. China may be saving money using its own vax but isn't taking chances with the treatment especially with its upcoming Chinese new year. Rural villages will be gathering with the inner cities for festivities and parties so I expect to see an uptick in cases there. China is relaxing its lockdowns for their new year but might get strict again if the cases rise which could lead to more shortages. All speculation on my part but COVID sure is wreaking havoc on the world economy.

[myrdale]

I think you're right; you have the freedom to not care about anyone else's health. But to that point, with so many people who could use your help even with such trivial gestures like washing your hands or staying home when you're sick, or wearing a mask if you're sick or even in a crowded public space, why not? Doing minimal-effort things like that are potentially beneficial to your own health, too. Instead of analyzing the economic or personal benefits, what if it's just the right thing to do?

I am not convinced living a hyper sanitized life makes any difference at all. In fact I am of the opinion that it is detrimental. How is it that hospitals are the most sanitized locations, yet MRSA infections occur regularly, as compared to public schools which are havens for virus and bacteria.

Who gets to decide what "the right thing to do" is, especially when it is not economic or personally beneficial? If you want to do things that are personally detrimental for the greater good, then go for it. But don't lecture others who aren't willing to follow you off the cliff.

[disneysteve]

If you want to do things that are personally detrimental for the greater good, then go for it. But don't lecture others who aren't willing to follow you off the cliff.

ua_guy mentioned washing your hands, staying home when you're sick, and wearing a mask in public when you're sick. Which of those actions do you feel is "personally detrimental"?

I'm not going to do something that harms me just to help someone else, but I'm more than willing to do things that are of no consequence to me in order to help others.

[disneysteve]

How is it that hospitals are the most sanitized locations, yet MRSA infections occur regularly, as compared to public schools which are havens for virus and bacteria..

I'm not sure you understand how this works. MRSA is a bacteria that a lot of people carry on/in their bodies. It doesn't originate in the hospital. Patients bring it in with them. One study showed that 13% of patients admitted to the ICU had MRSA at the time of their admission. It doesn't matter how sanitized the hospital is if the patients themselves are the source of the infections.

[rennigade]

Leana Wen is an idiot. Harsh but true. She has led to many people dying with her dim-witted comments.

Rennigade- if YOU are sick, you would rather spread that illness to others than wear a many only on the days you have symptoms? It's interesting how you have no sense of community and compassion, and you don't want to be part of a society that shows you that courtesy so that you don't get sick from a random person you encounter in a public place. I'd explore that with a therapist (I do not mean this in a snarky way, it's interesting).

I'll make that my resolution this year. To seek a therapist.

I was discussing with a coworker today how incredible it is that you can completely change a person's mind in less than 1.5 years. Propaganda actually works. I always thought it was BS but I see so many people living in fear now. Also the sense of entitlement has skyrocketed along with people just hating everyone now if they disagree with their beliefs. Its fascinating and terrifying at the same time.

Is there anything else I should do for complete strangers? We should all band our money together and donate it to medical research, for the greater good of course.

[ua_guy]

I am not convinced living a hyper sanitized life makes any difference at all. In fact I am of the opinion that it is detrimental. How is it that hospitals are the most sanitized locations, yet MRSA infections occur regularly, as compared to public schools which are havens for virus and bacteria.

Who gets to decide what "the right thing to do" is, especially when it is not economic or personally beneficial? If you want to do things that are personally detrimental for the greater good, then go for it. But don't lecture others who aren't willing to follow you off the cliff.

Hospitals see a lot of dirty people. Healthcare is dirty work. Hospitals are full of people who are weak, wounded, elderly, and very sick. But that's the problem. You only see that hospitals have more MRSA infections than public schools, but you don't care to understand why. Perhaps things are more complex than "common sense" would lead you to assume.

Sometimes the right thing to do isn't written down. I know that's hard.

[disneysteve]

Is there anything else I should do for complete strangers?

Since you singled out strangers, I'm curious if your behavior differs when you're with people you know like family, friends, or coworkers, or do you disregard them just the same.

[kork13]

If I can interrupt the argument .... this back-and-forth will clearly go nowhere productive or beneficial to anyone. Perhaps better to call step back & let this topic fade out for now, rather than let it get heated...?