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    As I mulled over the idea of buying a new Google Pixel phone all the advice I gave my brother--though he never followed--came rushing into my mind. "You don't need to finance all these phones because it adds up." It was only going to increase my monthly cell phone bill 26$. Knowing I was buying a phone for 800$ wasn't a bother to me because it really only reflected a small increase in my monthly payment.

    It occurred to me that I think America today loves payments.

    I know it makes expensive things more easily attainable, but at the same time payments are what kills your finances, not necessarily debt. I guess one way I look at it is that Debt destroys your future, payments destroy your life. Most people today have a lot of debt, so all their money is spent on paying that debt and nothing is going to retirement/savings. Since we just keep adding items to that debt we never fully come out, therefore we always have something else that takes our money instead of saving. I know to those of us here at SA just because you may have a car payment doesn't mean you are not saving, but for most of America that isexactly what is going on.

    As for payments, they absorb our cash flow. When the cash flow runs out everything comes crashing down. Having 100,000$ of debt doesn't destroy your finances(just hurts your net worth), but tying up all your available money into payments will. Most people don't declare bankruptcy because they have too much debt. They declare bankruptcy because they can't support the payments anymore. That's why I am very hard on the need to protect your cash flow, even if it is just 26$.

    My brother has 3 phones on payments now. He is trying to get what he needs to finally move out after living with his in-laws for over 7 years (with 4 kids). He knows better, but still went out and added another line for the newer note 7 and gave his 13 yr old the note 5. Along with his wife's Edge plus, they are all on payments. It might not seem like much apiece, but 3 phones equal about 90$ a month on top of the plan. Then we add in Hulu, cable, and other subscription services (the wave of the future), two car payments, and then wonder why we can't get ahead.

    I'm convinced most of America is in love with payments. Everything is ok as long as it is a small enough payment. What people miss is that 10 10$ payments are just as dangerous as a single 100$ payment. We just don't make the emotional connection with the smaller payments.

    Just some thoughts I had today.
    Everything happens for a reason. Sometimes that reason is you're stupid and make bad choices.

    Current Occupation: Spending every dollar before I die

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    I'm not someone to be listened to (yet) on financial advice, but the way I have justified keeping new phones on payments is through the AT&T Next Plan. You basically pay toward a new phone as though you would buy the whole thing in 20 months, but then they let you upgrade after just 12 months. So you end up paying a little over half of the new value of the phone and then exchanging it for another new phone which you theoretically then also pay a little over half of. We are chronic upgraders... or were... maybe we aren't anymore, I don't know yet. But this seemed better than buying a phone at full price and then having the hassle of ebaying it later for probably half price anyway.

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    • #3
      I have always been in the habit of buying a used phone with some cash (100-200$ range) and just going prepay. Only recently have I considered anything different. The point of the OP wasn't really to single out financing phones, but that we are quick to finance everything we can now-a-days just to get it now instead of paying for what we can afford or saving for what we know is coming.
      Everything happens for a reason. Sometimes that reason is you're stupid and make bad choices.

      Current Occupation: Spending every dollar before I die

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      • #4
        Totally agree. Financing is a way of life. I have believed until recently that it's just "what you do".

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        • #5
          Originally posted by HundredK View Post
          Totally agree. Financing is a way of life. I have believed until recently that it's just "what you do".
          That's sure what my family lives, and even verbally taught me a few times. I refuse to accept that, but it is taking a lot of work to avoid it :P
          Everything happens for a reason. Sometimes that reason is you're stupid and make bad choices.

          Current Occupation: Spending every dollar before I die

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          • #6
            i wouldnt say they love it, i would say thats how they/we live. banks make payments reasonable so we can keep adding more payments on top of payments. its the credit based society we live in and most americans know no other way to live, without credit many people can not survive a day
            retired in 2009 at the age of 39 with less than 300K total net worth

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            • #7
              There was a time that that was how we rolled. But I always made sure I had the cash first in the bank to pay the loan off if i needed.

              When we bought our first house we furnished it by all those 12 months same as cash sales. I'm not sure how many years we did that, bedroom furniture, family room furniture, living room furniture...it was a long time! I do know if was 7 years before I was able to get my dining room set. I know that's different than the phone scenario you are talking about but I guess it helped us get furnished faster. Once we had kids and daycare we just didn't have the extra money. We never paid interest and always paid those suckers off by the time the promotion was over.

              If people plan wisely they can take advantage of financing options. Now I never want to see another loan. I will save up the cash and get whatever I need, but back then it was the easier road to take.

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              • #8
                My investments have averaged 13.2% per year my entire adult life.
                Darn right i love payments, I currently have a 3.125% mortgage and a 1.99% RV payment that are both tax deductable. And like HundredK explained, I am good doing a phone plan with 12 month upgrades as IMO its just not worth my time to buy/sell used phones and worry about quality issues.

                I am even kicking around the idea of leasing my next car so I can keep my investments earning. Just need to come up with a cheap home business so I can write off a BMW lease as a business expense. lol

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by 97guns View Post
                  i wouldnt say they love it, i would say thats how they/we live. banks make payments reasonable so we can keep adding more payments on top of payments. its the credit based society we live in and most americans know no other way to live, without credit many people can not survive a day
                  It's more of a play on how absorbed we are with payments. I say it that way because people gladly keep getting them.
                  Everything happens for a reason. Sometimes that reason is you're stupid and make bad choices.

                  Current Occupation: Spending every dollar before I die

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                  • #10
                    ive known people who have financed an 8 year old and older car off a used car lot, ive seen them go to the rent to own store to buy a flat screen, and ive seen them take a 16% loan to pay off their IRS obligation... just some of the creative ways ive seen people take on more debt

                    i will take advantage of payment plans but i dont pay interest so if the payment plan involves interest i dont bite, but i did for a car
                    retired in 2009 at the age of 39 with less than 300K total net worth

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                    • #11
                      employers are in love with payments too.

                      I get paid every 2 weeks; not once per year

                      That's one reason I bought Sirius Satellite stock (not when it was a penny stock; but I held through that - duh).

                      if there's a monthly payment, people will want to have it.

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                      • #12
                        Truthfully, people are not in love with payments, they are in love with things, and payments get them more things more quickly.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by HundredK View Post
                          Truthfully, people are not in love with payments, they are in love with things, and payments get them more things more quickly.
                          Yeah, it's sad how much money is spent on subscription services and small items just to have more stuff. I can't imagine people watch enough tv to justify cable/satellite plus netflix plus hulu plus amazon. Yet people do it.
                          Everything happens for a reason. Sometimes that reason is you're stupid and make bad choices.

                          Current Occupation: Spending every dollar before I die

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by GoodSteward View Post
                            Yeah, it's sad how much money is spent on subscription services and small items just to have more stuff. I can't imagine people watch enough tv to justify cable/satellite plus netflix plus hulu plus amazon. Yet people do it.
                            I was/am one of those people. We used to have cable, amazon, hulu, netflix, xbox live, playstation now, kindle unlimited, and spotify, all just for entertainment.

                            Currently we have cable (it's bundled with internet and phone and is cheaper to have it than not to), amazon prime (am debating dumping our annual subscription but am oddly conflicted over that), kindle unlimited and spotify. We've already cut everything else.

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                            • #15
                              We have spotify and amazon prime and some cable limited and decided to eat the $14. We didn't last year but I'm still pissed over how much they are allowed to charge me for just internet. And no we can't live without the internet, unless I don't want DH to get a paycheck.
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