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  • So I tried EveryDollar by Dave Ramsey

    My initial impression is that it is just a budget planning tool, with little else of value for me.

    I went through the process of duplicating my budget. Pretty simple. reminded me of Mint.com. However, things got messy when I noticed the Baby steps menu on the left. When I clicked on it, it showed all the Baby steps and where you are at in relation to them. I realized there was no place to plug in my savings, debt, etc. I finally did figure out that when you click on the budget category, to the right is a box where you fill in what you have. Then I started entering transactions and realized there is no bank balance shown, just the total you have to budget and what is left to budget.

    So here are my thoughts.

    Pros
    1. Very simple and easy to use, for the most part.
    2. Setting up a budget is quick.
    3. Nice to see where you are at if you are following the baby steps.

    Cons
    1. No bank balance shown to know where you stand at any given point.
    2. No reconciling (what's the point of marking transactions cleared?)
    3. All you can do is forecast, which will get you in trouble unless you are no longer month to month. All you see is how much on a monthly basis you have. This is why I prefer YNAB over Mint also.
    4. To allocate funds based on each check (because most people are check-to-check and get paid weekly/bi-weekly) you have to play with the budget and make a duplicate of everything that is applied according to each check. For instance, You have 500$ a month in food, but it's 250$ per check. You need FOOD1 and FOOD2. Otherwise, you will not be sure how much you really have. I did this with mint, and it quickly got very convoluted. Not so simple to keep up with anymore. I spent a lot of time in MInt changing the auto category because Walmart was on food week 1 and needed to be on food week 2 this time. BLah..stupid.
    5. Debt isn't being figured in a way that actually helps. Their method is to just enter a total. Marking a payment doesn't reduce the total. You have to manually enter that each month I guess. On the Baby steps page it tells you to use a debt snowball calculator. Why not just include that with a payoff date? I mean, I find several online. They are very simple. All you need is the interest rate (people need to be aware of those anyway if they are not).
    6. Because there is no allocation process to know what goes where per check, you still have to use something on the side to break down each check. I use a spreadsheet. I think this is one of the hardest things to do when you start budgeitng. It's one thing to figure up totals for the month, it's another to make it all work per check. This is only an issue if you have a very low cash flow.

    For budgeting to work you need a plan, and a way to keep track of the money you have on hand in accordance to the plan. If you are missing either one of those you are not budgeting properly. YNAB is missing a way to plan. Their trick is to put a total beside the name of a category. So for food, it would be FOOD 500$. That sounds like a cop out. You need a written budget to go along with it. So for me, EVerydollar does this better to show the total you have figured up for the month. YNAB is avidly against forecasting, which is why they have nothing for planning either. However, YNAB actually tracks transactions and the money you have better so you can't overspend so easily by thinking you have plenty left in a category, but you don't have the cash to reflect it. You can also reconcile. If you have multiple people using an account (like I do with my wife) this is your saving grace to make sure you have a handle on things. Very often my wife, or sometimes even I forget to mark a transaction. If you don't' reconcile you may never catch it. Of course, this doesn't matter if you don't stick to a strick budget.

    Anyway, thats my thoughts after using the software for about 30 min. haha
    Last edited by GoodSteward; 08-17-2016, 08:32 AM.
    Everything happens for a reason. Sometimes that reason is you're stupid and make bad choices.

    Current Occupation: Spending every dollar before I die

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    I enjoy using it for its simplicity. It's very clear and nothing too confusing about it. Serves its purpose as a budget tracker quite well.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by rutgers07 View Post
      I enjoy using it for its simplicity. It's very clear and nothing too confusing about it. Serves its purpose as a budget tracker quite well.
      I'm glad others find it useful. I really like free products like this meant to help people. It isn't a bad product, and I think it has a lot of potential. There are just too many things missing for me to jump completely away from Ynab. If they just added a few features like reconciling and allocating I'd be a lot more willing to use it. Obviously, it does work for many because it is very popular and they have a lot of users. I'm just surprised it doesn't have any more features than it does.

      Do you get paid more than once a month? I assume you are ok with not reconciling to the bank, or do you still use a check book? I'm curious about who this program is best suited for.
      Everything happens for a reason. Sometimes that reason is you're stupid and make bad choices.

      Current Occupation: Spending every dollar before I die

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      • #4
        Originally posted by GoodSteward View Post
        I'm glad others find it useful. I really like free products like this meant to help people. It isn't a bad product, and I think it has a lot of potential. There are just too many things missing for me to jump completely away from Ynab. If they just added a few features like reconciling and allocating I'd be a lot more willing to use it. Obviously, it does work for many because it is very popular and they have a lot of users. I'm just surprised it doesn't have any more features than it does.

        Do you get paid more than once a month? I assume you are ok with not reconciling to the bank, or do you still use a check book? I'm curious about who this program is best suited for.
        DW and I both get twice a month. I don't reconcile to the bank and never have. I check my accounts regularly and that is good enough for me. There's enough of a buffer in my checking in case there's an oversight but in my 14 adult years, no issues yet!

        Like I said, I don't use it for anything but planning for the month. It's simple, the colors help delineate between different areas which keeps things clear for me.

        I could be wrong, but I thought there was a paid version which can link to your bank accounts.

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        • #5
          I suppose I m a bit of a Luddite. I enjoy using a pencil and writing up a budget. As pencils have erasers you can make as many changes as you need. I like the fact that you can do it cheaply and efficiently without paying for someones program. Isn't the whole idea to save money.

          Start by writing down everything you spend during the course of a month. Then see where you are spending and adjust accordingly.

          Me, I was never really a big Ramsey fan!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by PRICEPLUS View Post
            I suppose I m a bit of a Luddite. I enjoy using a pencil and writing up a budget. As pencils have erasers you can make as many changes as you need. I like the fact that you can do it cheaply and efficiently without paying for someones program. Isn't the whole idea to save money.

            Start by writing down everything you spend during the course of a month. Then see where you are spending and adjust accordingly.

            Me, I was never really a big Ramsey fan!
            PRICEPLUS,

            Whats your view on Dave Ramsey? His snowball method has been super helpful in getting a lot of people out of debt.
            james.c.hendrickson@gmail.com
            202.468.6043

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            • #7
              James,

              He sells things. I am sure he is a nice fella but the info is in the library and on the net for free. As folks are coming here in a world of financial "cowpie" my advice to them is don't pay for what you can do yourself.

              Just my opinion and/or advice for what it is worth.

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              • #8
                I'm not a huge fan of Dave, he's a bit too black and white for me. But he gets some credit for helping many people acknowledge they have an issue and at least do something about it. I listen to his show quite a bit and he's not afraid to admit that nothing he is saying is rocket science and is easily findable with a quick Google search. People these days seem less motivated to strategize on their own and someone like Dave helps bridge that gap and at least provide some energy to get the ball rolling.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by rutgers07 View Post
                  I'm not a huge fan of Dave, he's a bit too black and white for me.
                  I often refer to Dave Ramsey as the "Dr. Phil" of personal finance... He isn't often saying anything that everyone doesn't already know and it is usually point blank and factual.

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                  • #10
                    I personally am a fan of Dave Ramsey. I love his no BS style. He wears his thoughts on his sleeve and does not sugar coat things.

                    He admits that nothing he teaches is rocket sciences, and fully admits that a lot of it is just common sense. However, he has found a way to repackage things and sell it, a skill that I am learning. As someone who is trying to build a financial wellness firm, I love seeing someone out there who has done it - it makes me believe that I can do it too!
                    Check out my new website at www.payczech.com !

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                    • #11
                      Mr. Ramsey has indeed packaged stuff and I wish him well. I remember as a kid the only bottled water was the fancy fizzy kind. If I told my parents that I was going to put tap water in a bottle and sell it at a large markup they would have laughed.
                      It is a pretty successful business model these days. Look at all the bottled water that is sold. Me, I just fill up my old trusty metal canteen, with tap water.

                      If bottled water is what you crave then by all means buy some. I like the plain old free tap water.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by PRICEPLUS View Post
                        I suppose I m a bit of a Luddite. I enjoy using a pencil and writing up a budget. As pencils have erasers you can make as many changes as you need. I like the fact that you can do it cheaply and efficiently without paying for someones program. Isn't the whole idea to save money.

                        Start by writing down everything you spend during the course of a month. Then see where you are spending and adjust accordingly.

                        Me, I was never really a big Ramsey fan!
                        I used that method for a while as well. There was something about having to write it down that I liked. However, due to making simple mistakes all the time I moved over to a spreadsheet. I've only been using YNAB for about 8-9 months. I do prefer it as a way to keep track of my budget, and as a ledger. I still have to use a spreadsheet to plan my checks out though. I am very picky about keeping track of every penny that leaves my account and I love the feeling I get when I reconcile and know I didn't miss anything. I"m being a "good steward" in my eyes. lol

                        As for Dave Ramsey, he is a motivational speaker 1st, financial advisor 2nd. He is not targeting the best mathematical way to help people, but rather the most emotionally responsive way to help. His words in response to paying the lowest balance first instead of highest interest "If we were talking math we wouldn't be in this mess to start with." He gets people to feel the need to change and gets them excited about winning with money. A lot of his recommendations are meant to help people stay on top of their money the most basic ways, and see progress quickly. Paying off a debt quickly is a huge motivator. Paying a high balance wit ha high % is much harder to sustain for someone in a mess. He admits it is done that way to help keep them moving forward. A quick win to boost them up.

                        I mean if you retire with even 400k$ when you could have had 700k$ following someone else's advice, yet they never would have changed at all until Dave Ramsey, that is still a win to me. I posted a similar comment on Getrichslowly a couple years ago, and they all just disagreed. If the person could do better with someone elses advice, they think Dave Ramsey hurt them. What I see is that he is the reason they changed in the first place. They hate Dave Ramsey over there.

                        I watch as people are failing every day, and they won't listen to me. If they even make one change because of the way he can motivate them I think it is a good thing. It is still better to follow his advice vs nothing at all.
                        Last edited by GoodSteward; 08-18-2016, 06:40 AM.
                        Everything happens for a reason. Sometimes that reason is you're stupid and make bad choices.

                        Current Occupation: Spending every dollar before I die

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                        • #13
                          I like some of Dave Ramsey. What I disagree with is that he loathes debt under any circumstance.

                          I have used leverage (debt) to leave the corporate world at age 46 and two years later earn almost $300K on my own. The debt is now gone.

                          But I had been a Dave Ramsey teetotaler, I would have never had this chance.

                          Some wealth can be made by saving. Great wealth is only made by leveraging.

                          I also don't agree with his advice about maxing out retirement accounts with all of the mutual fund garbage. Most of those investments generate very modest returns, many much worse than that.

                          Mutual funds are for the masses; don't expect to get ahead of the masses by taking the road of the masses.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by TexasHusker View Post
                            I like some of Dave Ramsey. What I disagree with is that he loathes debt under any circumstance.

                            I have used leverage (debt) to leave the corporate world at age 46 and two years later earn almost $300K on my own. The debt is now gone.

                            But I had been a Dave Ramsey teetotaler, I would have never had this chance.

                            Some wealth can be made by saving. Great wealth is only made by leveraging.

                            I also don't agree with his advice about maxing out retirement accounts with all of the mutual fund garbage. Most of those investments generate very modest returns, many much worse than that.

                            Mutual funds are for the masses; don't expect to get ahead of the masses by taking the road of the masses.
                            Right, he is good for people who don't know how to handle money. I have grown out of Dave Ramseyism. I do like to listen to the radio station sometimes and hear how people have overcome debt, but more often people who are absurdly bad off by stupid choices. Helps remind me how good I have it not drowning in debt. However, I don't agree with everything he does. I still recommend him because he has the influence to get people to change that I don't have.

                            People in forums such as this are usually more savvy and looking for better ways to handle their money. Dave Ramsey is for people who don't do that. Saving in a mutual fund is better than a savings account for retirement. At least they are that far ahead.

                            I agree there are better options, and I also don't agree with never using credit. Credit scores are ingrained into everything now from car insurance to rentals and utilities. You will pay more, and in the case of renting possibly have trouble renting al all due to a bad score from never using any credit.

                            Oh well. This thread is going sideways from my post. Anybody else use Every Dollar budgeting?
                            Everything happens for a reason. Sometimes that reason is you're stupid and make bad choices.

                            Current Occupation: Spending every dollar before I die

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                            • #15
                              Sorry if I hijacked the thread

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