Flu shot & COVID vaccine, who is getting it or not?

[disneysteve]

I don't want tested so I can avoid the vaccine.
I was hoping to donate plasma

Gotcha.

There are still issues with convalescent plasma especially since the FDA changed the rules recently. Hopefully it becomes a more approved treatment assuming it is effective.

[Tightwad Kitty]

I do recommend getting your flu shots, as in Australia we have just come out of our winter. With so few people with the influenza this year that we are being told it more likely Coved -19 than the influenza, it is down by 80% this year. Most of us did get flu shots as they were worried that if you got covid 19 and influenza at same time you would be very, very sick then hospitalize.

I was sicker from smoke from bush fires last November - February so far, than any colds or flu or covid19 which I have never had so far this year. I stay at home as much as possible, wear a mask in public, keep my distance 1.5 meters apart and wash my hands as often as I can.
As for covid 19 there are only 28 cases in our state with no unknown cases and our border is closed to all states with 14 days quarantine in hotel at your expense around $3000 per person if wish to come to our state. All tests are free as there are covered by Medicare.

As for Covid 19 vaccine, I will get one in the future but not first round of vaccine, I wish to see if there are any major problems with them first. I don’t wish have any that come out this year even if do their work.

https://www.health.gov.au/news/health...

[QuarterMillionMan]

I got my flu shot at CVS for free with my insurance. If I went to my doctor the copay would have been $10.

[disneysteve]

No to covid vaccine. I'm a huge proponent on vaccines and have worked in vaccine development before. I am not convinced that this rapid development has been thoroughly vetted nor am I willing to risk myself or my kids. I feel like instead we have political pressure to get a vaccine.

Absolutely. I don't think Trump understands that the more he pushes for a vaccine before election day, the more he makes intelligent people afraid to get it. I hope that none of the pharma companies would actually bring out an untested vaccine just to placate him but at this point, anything is possible.

[disneysteve]

I got my flu shot at CVS for free with my insurance. If I went to my doctor the copay would have been $10.

We are supposed to get a supply at my site to vaccinate each other. Otherwise, we can go to CVS and get it free on our insurance.

[LivingAlmostLarge]

Absolutely. I don't think Trump understands that the more he pushes for a vaccine before election day, the more he makes intelligent people afraid to get it. I hope that none of the pharma companies would actually bring out an untested vaccine just to placate him but at this point, anything is possible.

Um no the pharma industry absolutely will come out with a vaccine that "passes" if the FDA says it does and lowers the bar and scale it up and send it out. There is a "Need" and might as well move forward with the "best" candidate that isn't as thoroughly vetted and the data not completely done. It's good enough because of pressure and FDA is reviewing it asap on October 22nd for data from clinical trials going on right now. No time to thoroughly review the data long term. No going back it's only forward. And yes trump is pushing it. It should make anyone nervous. I've yet to chat with old coworkers some at these companies who are thrilled or interested in getting first round vaccine. When researchers themselves are nervous there is a reason. Science and vaccine development only moves so fast. But this rush is something else. A lot of things are being ignored in the name of "safety". Astrazeneca just two days ago paused study that caused side effects mild or moderate in 60% of 1/2 trials. Deemed acceptable risk for moving forward. Typically this is not acceptable and they'd go back and redevelop because rates usually get worse. But heck we don't have time to redevelop. Gotta move forward and hope for best.

With that sort of attitude it's not wonder people are scared of vaccines. This is not inciting confidence with a president known to lie blatently an doften.

[kork13]

FWIW, the CEOs from ~9 big vaccine makers all recently signed an open letter pledging not to take a vaccine to FDA for approval before they're ready under normal guidelines & not to rush them out without proper testing protocols.

[~bs]

Flu shot yes. Vaccine no.

Only people who should seriously consider the experimental vaccine is at risk individuals and people with bad existing health conditions. But everyone will need to choose for themselves. The more young and healthy that choose to forgo the vaccine in the 1st year, the more avaiilable for those who are at higher risk. Keep in mind that the CDC already stated that the actual covid mortality rate is the same as the flu. Once a real, tested vaccine is developed, it will drop way below flu levels.

[disneysteve]

Fthe CDC already stated that the actual covid mortality rate is the same as the flu.

Where did you see that? There was the death certificate information that came out but that was grossly misinterpreted. People thought it meant that only 6% of patients died of Covid which isn't what it meant at all.

[~bs]

Where did you see that? There was the death certificate information that came out but that was grossly misinterpreted. People thought it meant that only 6% of patients died of Covid which isn't what it meant at all.

This article is a bit old, but all I can find on short notice. It's not the death sentence that people think, and the way the government was counting deaths, especially within the first few months of the pandemic was incorrect. If someone with covid was run over by a car and killed, they counted that as covid death. many many more examples out there. Many states aren't going back to adjust the deaths. See example from washington below.


The new estimates of fatality rate released by the CDC are as follows for different age groups:

0-49 years old: 0.05%
50-64 years old: 0.2%
65+ years old: 1.3%
Overall ages: 0.4%

The CDC has also cautioned that the numbers are likely to change as new data arrives. But, if you consider how we have gone from 3.4 % to 2.0 % to now 0.26 %, it seems more likely that the number might get even lower as we get more data.


https://in.dental-tribune.com/news/n...inst-whos-3-4/


https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/washington-state-is-adjusting-how-it-counts-covid-19-deaths/

[~bs]

Also, there's additional research that suggests that half the population already has a natural protection/immunity against covid, which explains why after an initial surge, the case rates are dropping off in many areas. The population already has a general herd immunity to the virus. This is even moreso a reason not to get the experimental vaccine unless necessary. It explains the hoardes of "asymptomatic" cases and why there isn't widespread contraction of the virus, with only a fraction of people getting it.

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Several studies have shown that people infected with Covid-19 tend to have T cells that can target the virus, regardless of whether they have experienced symptoms. So far, so normal. But scientists have also recently discovered that some people can test negative for antibodies against Covid-19 and positive for T cells that can identify the virus. This has led to suspicions that some level of immunity against the disease might be twice as common as was previously thought.

Most bizarrely of all, when researchers tested blood samples taken years before the pandemic started, they found T cells which were specifically tailored to detect proteins on the surface of Covid-19. This suggests that some people already had a pre-existing degree of resistance against the virus before it ever infected a human. And it appears to be surprisingly prevalent: 40-60% of unexposed individuals had these cells.


https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...-from-covid-19

[rennigade]

No one wants to admit it but most people arent healthy. Their diets suck, they're certain vitamin deficient, D being the big one. All people want is medicine to fix their problems, a magic pill (or shot.) They dont want to do a single thing themselves to fight the virus. Why havent health officials said a single thing about getting healthy during this pandemic? All anyone cares about its chemicals to pump in your body.

What is the point of an immune system? Here's the definition of an immune system: Your immune system is a complex network of cells, tissues, and organs. Together they help the body fight infections and other diseases. When germs such as bacteria or viruses invade your body, they attack and multiply.

People, we have an immune system, let it do its job. Get healthy, stop relying on chemicals to keep your body in check.

[disneysteve]

People, we have an immune system, let it do its job.

Exactly. That's why vaccines are so vital.

And you're absolutely right about overall health. Diet, exercise, smoking, drinking, adequate sleep... it all plays into our health and well-being and as a population, we are failing miserably to manage it all.

[disneysteve]

But, if you consider how we have gone from 3.4 % to 2.0 % to now 0.26 %, it seems more likely that the number might get even lower as we get more data.

The other thing that has helped tremendously is that we've found some reasonably effective treatments. When Covid first hit, the death rate was horrifying. Hospitals were bringing in refrigerated trucks and building temporary morgues to store all of the bodies that were piling up. It was straight out of a horror movie. People were having to wait weeks to bury their loved ones because the funeral homes were so overwhelmed.

Now, we're using remdesivir, dexamethasone, and other things including non-medication management to better treat these patients. Early on, the bulk of the hospitalized patients were also elderly. Now, the average age of hospitalized Covid patients is much lower, in the mid 50s or less I believe. That's a population that overall is in better condition and less likely to die from Covid even when getting sick enough to require hospitalization. So all of this is gradually bringing down the mortality rate.

[ua_guy]

No one wants to admit it but most people arent healthy. Their diets suck, they're certain vitamin deficient, D being the big one. All people want is medicine to fix their problems, a magic pill (or shot.) They dont want to do a single thing themselves to fight the virus. Why havent health officials said a single thing about getting healthy during this pandemic? All anyone cares about its chemicals to pump in your body.

What is the point of an immune system? Here's the definition of an immune system: Your immune system is a complex network of cells, tissues, and organs. Together they help the body fight infections and other diseases. When germs such as bacteria or viruses invade your body, they attack and multiply.

People, we have an immune system, let it do its job. Get healthy, stop relying on chemicals to keep your body in check.

Humans developed vaccines. We discovered a way to become immune to illness without having to first become ill and/or risk death. This is the brain protecting itself. Being healthy is great but it doesn't provide immunity--just strength.