Stores and restaurants re-closing due to COVID

[disneysteve]

Gotcha. Your numbers are still A LOT, surprisingly high. Where are you pulling them from?

62million hospitalized would mean that 18% of people that get it is hospitalized. That is a really high rate.

Various sources:

WHO: "Around 1 in every 5 people who are infected with COVID-19 develop difficulty in breathing and require hospital care."

CDC: "The CDC data offers a look at who is most at risk for hospitalization. And a recent study shows about 30% of infections studied ended up requiring hospitalization."

I just did a little searching and it appears that as the overall number of cases has risen, the hospitalization rate has fallen. That makes sense since as we test more and more people and identify more asymptomatic patients, that will lower the hospitalization rate. Also as more younger healthier people get infected, the rate will be lower as they are less likely to have serious complications. The 20% figure, which I've seen a number of places, seems to be based on earlier data from April and May.

The hospitalization rate remains highest among older patients and those with pre-existing conditions. I saw one source that said the rate for those with pre-existing conditions is 45%. That's still a huge number especially given how common many of those pre-existing conditions are.

[disneysteve]

California governor Newsom just ordered the re-closure of all indoor restaurants, wineries, movie theaters, museums, card rooms, and all bars.

30 counties also have to close -Fitness Centers -Places of Worship -Offices for Non-Critical Sectors -Personal Care Services -Hair Salons and Barbershops -Malls

[Fishindude77]

California governor Newsom just ordered the re-closure of all indoor restaurants, wineries, movie theaters, museums, card rooms, and all bars.

30 counties also have to close -Fitness Centers -Places of Worship -Offices for Non-Critical Sectors -Personal Care Services -Hair Salons and Barbershops -Malls

Totally stupid.
Making blanket statewide closures for a geographic area as large as the state of California.
Might make sense for heavily populated metro areas, but there are also some very sparsely populated areas of the state that have seen few problems, however gov steps in to put everyone out of business.

[ua_guy]

Totally stupid.
Making blanket statewide closures for a geographic area as large as the state of California.
Might make sense for heavily populated metro areas, but there are also some very sparsely populated areas of the state that have seen few problems, however gov steps in to put everyone out of business.

It's hard to argue with the success of other countries who had a national strategy and which closed down early and swiftly until they got the spread under control. The US' strategy of close a little here, a little there, or not so much, seems to have landed us in a really bad place. I don't think it can be argued any longer that this isn't real, or that people in rural areas aren't affected.

[disneysteve]

It's hard to argue with the success of other countries who had a national strategy and which closed down early and swiftly until they got the spread under control. The US' strategy of close a little here, a little there, or not so much, seems to have landed us in a really bad place. I don't think it can be argued any longer that this isn't real, or that people in rural areas aren't affected.

Exactly. The complete lack of a Federally-coordinated national response, instead leaving it to a piecemeal patchwork city by city or county by county is exactly why we're in the situation that we're in. Some places having to shut down again was very much the predictable outcome to not doing it right the first time. And we're still not doing it right.

I just don't get how there are still people who can't see that. But there are still people who think COVID isn't a big deal, or that it's not even real. There are people hosting COVID parties to try and infect each other. There are people refusing to wear masks. It's truly insane.

[disneysteve]

And just to show this isn't just an American issue, Hong Kong Disneyland announced today that they are re-closing 7/15 due to an increase in COVID cases in the area.

[disneysteve]

Two NBA players already in the "quarantine bubble" at Disney World have now tested positive for COVID. I don't know what idiot thought doing that was a good idea.

[QuarterMillionMan]

Los Amgeles Unified school district came on the news just now, schools will not resume in August. Distance learning to resume. That is huge news.

[james.hendrickson]

Bad news regarding California. I think we'd all prefer that a vaccine be found and the country moves on from this.

[disneysteve]

Los Amgeles Unified school district came on the news just now, schools will not resume in August. Distance learning to resume. That is huge news.

That's no surprise. Anybody who thinks normal in-person school can resume next month is living in an alternate universe.

[Fishindude77]

It's hard to argue with the success of other countries who had a national strategy and which closed down early and swiftly until they got the spread under control. The US' strategy of close a little here, a little there, or not so much, seems to have landed us in a really bad place. I don't think it can be argued any longer that this isn't real, or that people in rural areas aren't affected.

So in your opinion, what countries did things correctly?

[ua_guy]

So in your opinion, what countries did things correctly?

Not correctly, but better. There's interesting data (and infographics, if you like pictures) to ponder in the links below. I've tried to pick more recent sources which discuss responses year-to-date, versus the earlier March/April timeframe.

As a general statement, our neighbors to the North are making good strides even though they share a border with us.

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection.html

But here's a more global picture:

https://www.endcoronavirus.org/countries

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/14/coronavirus-world-map-which-countries-have-the-most-covid-19-cases-and-deaths

https://au.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-most-successful-countries-pandemic-fight-085119002.html

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2020-06-08/new-zealand-hits-zero-active-coronavirus-cases-here-are-5-measures-to-keep-it-that-way

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2020-05-04/what-iceland-can-teach-the-world-about-minimizing-the-coronavirus

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/22/united-states-italy-traded-places-coronavirus-333122

[disneysteve]

[disneysteve]

Philly has cancelled all large public gatherings through February 2021. No Broad Street Run (a major 10-mile race event), no Thanksgiving parade, no New Year's parade, and a lot more normal activities that won't be happening until at least early next year.

[kork13]

I prefer good news... Like this one! https://apnews.com/e4d5259bfc6c74fcb090d885737c55a6

Seems that they've gotten the initial results back for one of the many vaccines in development, finding that it was effective at protecting against COVID with minimal side effects. Small sample size, so a large group is planned to start testing later this month. This particular research group hopes to have it ready by early next year.

And hey, sounds like they're recruiting for test subjects, if anyone's interested!