Moving the goal posts

[Snicks]

The virus is dangerous. It's contagious. It has a higher mortality than the flu. That is all true. But we need to OPEN THE ECONOMY anyway. And, use precautions and mitigation.

[ua_guy]

What an ugly thread. What an ugly time. I guess we all know who values property over life.

[Snicks]

Government cannot be TRUSTED. Govt moves the goalposts. And, whatever power they are able to seize will never be given back.

[TexasHusker]

What an ugly thread. What an ugly time. I guess we all know who values property over life.

Nice straw man there.

[ua_guy]

Nice straw man there.

Do you know what a straw-man is? This is a personal sentiment, not an argument. You have indicated in many threads that you feel people should go back to work and risk their lives and other lives so you can operate your HAIR SALON.

[TexasHusker]

Do you know what a straw-man is? This is a personal sentiment, not an argument. You have indicated in many threads that you feel people should go back to work and risk their lives and other lives so you can operate your HAIR SALON.

Look up the definition of straw man.

Risk their lives? That's funny stuff right there. Maybe your straw man needs a foil hat, too.

The idea of the quarantine was to slow the spread. It worked. Now it's time to end the quarantine. We can't keep dreaming up new reasons to keep people locked up. You'll lose your job, too, and it may be too late already.

As a reminder, most experts believe that everyone will contract COVID. So wherever you are, whatever you are doing, you are officially risking your live and the lives of others. Throwing 25 million people on unemployment and bankrupting half of the country isn't going to kill COVID.

[ua_guy]

Look up the definition of straw man.

Risk their lives? That's funny stuff right there. Maybe your straw man needs a foil hat, too.

The idea of the quarantine was to slow the spread. It worked. Now it's time to end the quarantine. We can't keep dreaming up new reasons to keep people locked up. You'll lose your job, too, and it may be too late already.

As a reminder, most experts believe that everyone will contract COVID. So wherever you are, whatever you are doing, you are officially risking your live and the lives of others. Throwing 25 million people on unemployment and bankrupting half of the country isn't going to kill COVID.

You talk about "moving the goalposts" and "dreaming up reasons" with regards to reopening. Those are nebulous straw arguments inferring that "the government" is unnecessarily delaying re-opening. There is more reason to believe that experts are advising on fact, considering distancing is still the only tool available to fight this.

You are correct that many are on unemployment and many people and companies will face uncertainty and bankruptcy. To quote a great line, "Despite the high cost of living, It remains wildly popular". And I am firmly of the belief, and my training in life also follows suit: Preserve life (then) property. I stand with and support the experts (who don't operate hair salons for a living).

[Snicks]

The "experts" have been wrong many times over. You dont' treat "experts" like God. They aren't. And I did not elect Dr. Fauci to make POLICY. He can advise, he doesn't make policy.

[moneybags]

The entire US is way behind in testing. We've only tested something like 1% of the population. That's insane. We can't draw any meaningful conclusions from that small of a sample size. Testing has been promised repeatedly and just hasn't materialized. We can't just test those who are moderately to severely ill. We have to test folks with mild symptoms. We have to test people with no symptoms. We have to do contact tracing and test those who may have been exposed. We have to test employees before allowing them to return to work so that they don't infect coworkers and customers.

Someone in my house had symptoms and was tested within 1 hour of filling out an online form with a medical facility. We were advised that if the 3 other family members became symptomatic to assume they were positive and do not come in for testing. (Results came back negative.) I don't get how the numbers can be accurate using this method.

[TexasHusker]

You talk about "moving the goalposts" and "dreaming up reasons" with regards to reopening. Those are nebulous straw arguments inferring that "the government" is unnecessarily delaying re-opening. There is more reason to believe that experts are advising on fact, considering distancing is still the only tool available to fight this.

You are correct that many are on unemployment and many people and companies will face uncertainty and bankruptcy. To quote a great line, "Despite the high cost of living, It remains wildly popular". And I am firmly of the belief, and my training in life also follows suit: Preserve life (then) property. I stand with and support the experts (who don't operate hair salons for a living).

Here is your expert in January:

https://710wor.iheart.com/featured/mark-simone/content/2020-04-03-watch-dr-fauci-in-january-say-you-dont-need-to-worry-about-coronavirus/

[ua_guy]

The "experts" have been wrong many times over. You dont' treat "experts" like God. They aren't. And I did not elect Dr. Fauci to make POLICY. He can advise, he doesn't make policy.

This appears to be a collaborative effort if we're talking business/politicians/public health "experts" working together. I don't treat experts like God and I hope "they" don't either. But the problem at hand is a health crisis, followed by a financial crisis. Both need their attention--in due time. Distancing is still the only tool available to fight this, and if we give up now, more lives will be lost. I firmly believe the blood is on the hands of policy makers who re-open prematurely. Unfortunately, that is also divided along party lines.

[ua_guy]

Here is your expert in January:

https://710wor.iheart.com/featured/m...t-coronavirus/

Sorry, not clicking on fake news. Health experts have been warning against this virus as early as November/December of 2019. That is fact, and I'm not doing the research for you.

[Snicks]

Then the acting President at the time owns the Swine Flu deaths of 2009.

[disneysteve]

The idea of the quarantine was to slow the spread. It worked. Now it's time to end the quarantine.

I don't think anybody disagrees that the world needs to reopen. It isn't just us. China, Japan, England, France, Canada... they are all shut down. That can't continue.

The question is what precautions and mitigation strategies will be most effective and most achievable.

What we don't want is a repeat of the 1918 H1N1 pandemic. The curve dropped off, restrictions were lifted, and then the 2nd wave hit which killed 10 times more people than the 1st wave. Humanity doesn't have a great track record when it comes to learning from their past mistakes. We, as a people, seem to be fond of making the same mistakes over and over again. It would be nice if we didn't do that this time around.

[bjl584]

Let's all take a breath here.
Things are getting political and personal

I'll have to close this thread if it continues.

Thanks