Moving the goal posts

[TexasHusker]

Volumes are down and money has been lost. It's putting hospitals in a very weak position for the next wave. People rightfully are avoiding hospitals if they can right now--and that includes hospital-based clinics, and rescheduling anything they can postpone.

When is this next wave suppose to hit? Better keep things shut down out of caution. Just one life...

[ua_guy]

When is this next wave suppose to hit? Better keep things shut down out of caution. Just one life...

Are you volunteering?

Someone in a post above mentioned Spanish Flu and what happened there. I guess we won't know until we send everyone back to work before we have another containment strategy other than isolation. Wait for it. It's not my team that's setting up to lose the most comrades.

[TexasHusker]

Spanish Fly?

[disneysteve]

Doctors were discouraged, if not prohibited, from doing electives, at the directive of hospitals, who took their directive in good faith from the CDC. The CDC was wrong

What were they wrong about? Continuing elective procedures in the face of a pandemic would have been outrageously irresponsible. Hospitals needed to clear out everyone who didn't absolutely need to be there in order to free up space and resources for the possible surge of COVID patients. Why use up precious masks and gowns and shields doing routine procedures only to worsen the shortage of those supplies? Why risk exposing healthy people to the virus unnecessarily? Why send a bunch of blood and tissue specimens to the lab and impact their ability to quickly process the flood of COVID samples?

I've said this before and I'll say it again. If, when this is all done, it looks we we overreacted, that means we did everything RIGHT.

[disneysteve]

When is this next wave suppose to hit?

There will be a 2nd wave. There's no way around that. The 1918 pandemic actually had 3 waves, but the 2nd was by far the worst.

Wave 1 started in late June and peaked in mid July 2018.
Wave 2 started in early October and peaked in mid November.
Wave 3 started in early February and peaked in early March 2019.

The 2nd wave killed about 10 times more people than the 1st wave.

[LivingAlmostLarge]

I sort of agree. Why isn't there a hospital bailout? Why can't they get the same savings as other industries? Why are we going to bailout Boeing who was irresponsible before the corona virus but not is in a worse position? They were facing dire circumstances before with their planes and lack of testing. NOW they are facing people unwilling to fly and airlines not willing to buy their planes. So why are we bailing them out? Right too big to fail.

And now we are passing a bill with more money for small businesses when Shack Shake returned how much money? I didn't know Shack Shake had less than 500 people and were allowed to get a SBA loan. Let alone hedge fund managers? Why can't we bailout hospitals instead of hedge fund managers?

Where I am also a no-go to getting back to normal. It'll be a "dial" back to normal. In reverse order is how we are doing it. Stay at home lifted and essential businesses. Then you can gather in small groups. But still social distancing encourged. Then opening it up in opposite relation. I'm good. Like I said I'm still not going out to eat. I love the idea of traveling but realistically that's not happening.

So you tell me how I'm going to "support" the economy? My family which is financially sound will continue on this trend of eating at home, staying at home alone, not traveling (my mom is really worried about us flying and coming to see them), and not going anywhere because DH and I are working remotely. Our kids are out of school. We aren't going to any stores more than we are now. So even if it lifts we are staying put. We are choosing to keep ourselves away and our kids away. We'll see friends, but we won't be supporting airlines, hotels, restaurants, etc. We're busy at home.

[disneysteve]

Two pet cats in NY have tested positive for COVID, possibly transmitted from a human to them. If evidence arises that it can go back and forth between cats and people, that will be a big concern.

[rennigade]

What were they wrong about? Continuing elective procedures in the face of a pandemic would have been outrageously irresponsible. Hospitals needed to clear out everyone who didn't absolutely need to be there in order to free up space and resources for the possible surge of COVID patients. Why use up precious masks and gowns and shields doing routine procedures only to worsen the shortage of those supplies? Why risk exposing healthy people to the virus unnecessarily? Why send a bunch of blood and tissue specimens to the lab and impact their ability to quickly process the flood of COVID samples?

I've said this before and I'll say it again. If, when this is all done, it looks we we overreacted, that means we did everything RIGHT.

Steve...you may be a physician, but others here have stayed at a holiday inn express.

[TexasHusker]

Two pet cats in NY have tested positive for COVID, possibly transmitted from a human to them. If evidence arises that it can go back and forth between cats and people, that will be a big concern.

Luckily I don’t have cats. I’m allergic to them.

[disneysteve]

Luckily I don’t have cats. I’m allergic to them.

Same here. No pets. My wife and daughter are both allergic.

[ua_guy]

Same here. No pets. My wife and daughter are both allergic.

Well I hope dogs are safe. Our little guy has been enjoying the change of pace while we both work from home.

[Scallywag]

So you tell me how I'm going to "support" the economy? My family which is financially sound will continue on this trend of eating at home, staying at home alone, not traveling (my mom is really worried about us flying and coming to see them), and not going anywhere because DH and I are working remotely. Our kids are out of school. We aren't going to any stores more than we are now. So even if it lifts we are staying put. We are choosing to keep ourselves away and our kids away. We'll see friends, but we won't be supporting airlines, hotels, restaurants, etc. We're busy at home.

Those who are still employed will sypport the economy by paying INCREASED taxes when local states & counties go bust if the lockdown persists beyond a few months. I am praying the virus is under control before unemploymwny runs out or it would be a blood bath out there.

BTW, Chipotle reported earnings on Tuesday and they BEAT expectations! So people are still eating out and "supporting" restaurants. I sold CMG thinking their results would be dismal .... More fool me because I apparently thought wrong.

I do feel for the people who are struggling. This is why is rather we had a stable and steady job that a high flying one that disappears when the economy collapses.

[bjl584]

Those who are still employed will sypport the economy by paying INCREASED taxes when local states & counties go bust if the lockdown persists beyond a few months. I am praying the virus is under control before unemploymwny runs out or it would be a blood bath out there.

BTW, Chipotle reported earnings on Tuesday and they BEAT expectations! So people are still eating out and "supporting" restaurants. I sold CMG thinking their results would be dismal .... More fool me because I apparently thought wrong.

I do feel for the people who are struggling. This is why is rather we had a stable and steady job that a high flying one that disappears when the economy collapses.

Target is doing well too.
Cyber Monday like sales reported.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/23/target-says-same-store-sales-rose-more-than-7percent-so-far-in-first-quarter.html

[disneysteve]

BTW, Chipotle reported earnings on Tuesday and they BEAT expectations! So people are still eating out and "supporting" restaurants.

Places that already did a large take out business were well positioned to ride this out. The restaurants that were all or primarily dine in service are the ones that have been struggling more. So fast food like Chipotle, McDonald's, KFC, pizza, Chinese food, anything with a drive-thru were already doing this stuff. It's especially the finer dining establishments that are suffering the most and a lot of them simply closed because their business model couldn't be converted to carry out.

[bjl584]

Places that already did a large take out business were well positioned to ride this out. The restaurants that were all or primarily dine in service are the ones that have been struggling more. So fast food like Chipotle, McDonald's, KFC, pizza, Chinese food, anything with a drive-thru were already doing this stuff. It's especially the finer dining establishments that are suffering the most and a lot of them simply closed because their business model couldn't be converted to carry out.

As expected, it's a lot of the mom and pop locations.

Only one location
Simple business model
No online presence
Limited menu
Resistant or inability to change