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    My cousin (a small business owner of a welding / fabrication shop) made a FB post about how 2 weeks of shutting down wouldn't fix anything. My dear mother made a comment that "they" have crashed the economy, "they" are trying to take over health care, "they" are shutting all of these business down. A lot of the sky is falling IMHO. Which leads me to ask who is "They" and what business are "They" really shutting down?

    When I asked her to explain what business are being shut down, the easy answer is of course "bars and restaurants". OK, bars and restaurants are subject to the Department of Health. And from what I have seen in GA at least is either restaurants with drive-thru are simply closing their lobbies, or people are not showing up to eat so they are laying off workers. I've seen reports about local governments saying bars must close but I am not convinced that is enforceable.

    So what else I asked? Hyundai and the other auto manufacturers! But wait, they are private business that are choosing to shut down internally. The government isn't making them do anything.

    Well cruse lines and hotels. No. These are again private businesses. Like the restaurants (for the time being), it is that invisible hand of the market, peoples choices not to travel which is doing it.

    Well there's the air lines. True, foreign travel is shut down by the federal government to help limit the spread into the United States.

    And don't forget "They" have destroyed the stock market! Well again, "They" haven't done anything. The value of the stocks is based singularly on peoples faith and companies returns. If you're young the stock market day to day should not manner. If you're old, you should already be moved towards lower risk.

    Well this is all to prove the government should take over all medicine. *Sigh* how? Either hospitals will be over run or they will not be. If the number of 3 hospital beds per 1000 individuals is true, then yes there is a problem, but only if that many people need to be hospitalized. And the government didn't make those people sick.

    Don't forget the stores are completely sold out of toilet paper, and... "They" again is the populations deciding to panic. You don't need 6 months stock of TP. Personally, I keep a months stock of food on hand anyway. A 2 pound bag of rice and a couple jars of peanut butter, cans of chili and tuna fish go a long way, especially if you only consume what you actually need. And no one has suggested the interstate system be shut down. Trucks are delivering to stores every day.

    My final points are this: There are so many things you truly don't have control of. I think most of what we have had going on is people over reacting to the perceived loss of control that they never had to begin with. The unseen hand of the markets, nature, the environment, the ocean, lions on the plains of Africa, your eventual death, you truly have no control. "They" don't exist and their is no one to blame. Read up on stoicism. Marcus Aurelius's "Meditations" is a great place to start.

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    I understand your underlying point, but some of what you said isn't quite correct.

    Governments - state and local - ARE shutting down businesses. When the Governor declares a state of emergency, he/she can order all non-essential businesses to close. That's exactly what has been happening in many places.

    As for cruises, the CDC and State Department issued travel advisories advising all Americans not to cruise. So sure, the government didn't actually shut down cruises but that was essentially the effect of their advisory.

    I have no complaint with any of that as I think it's all necessary to help cut down the spread of the pandemic and because people are stupid and given the opportunity, they will continue to do stupid things. Look at the spring break crowds on the beaches in Florida as a perfect example.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by myrdale View Post
      When I asked her to explain what business are being shut down, the easy answer is of course "bars and restaurants". OK, bars and restaurants are subject to the Department of Health. And from what I have seen in GA at least is either restaurants with drive-thru are simply closing their lobbies, or people are not showing up to eat so they are laying off workers. I've seen reports about local governments saying bars must close but I am not convinced that is enforceable.
      Just today, our state (NJ) ordered the closure of barber shops, hair salons, nail and eyelash salons, and tattoo parlors. That's on top of the existing closures of indoor malls, dine-in service at bars and restaurants, casinos, theaters, gyms, and more. So it is absolutely the government ordering these closures.

      Again, I fully support them, but the "they" is, in fact, the government.
      Steve

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      * Why should I pay for my daughter's education when she already knows everything?
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      • #4
        Originally posted by disneysteve View Post
        I have no complaint with any of that as I think it's all necessary to help cut down the spread of the pandemic and because people are stupid and given the opportunity, they will continue to do stupid things. Look at the spring break crowds on the beaches in Florida as a perfect example.
        This is what happened in Chicago. The governor requested people not go out in crowds the weekend before St. Patrick's Day and too many didn't listen. He then closed all bars & restaurants (except for carry out).

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        • #5
          Originally posted by moneybags View Post

          This is what happened in Chicago. The governor requested people not go out in crowds the weekend before St. Patrick's Day and too many didn't listen. He then closed all bars & restaurants (except for carry out).
          And today they closed the Florida beaches
          Steve

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          * Why should I pay for my daughter's education when she already knows everything?
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          • #6
            Oregons state parks, forests and campgrounds got closed as well.
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            • #7
              I don't really understand closing wide-open places like beaches, parks, campgrounds, etc. Those places specifically allow people to spread out, and viruses aren't going to survive well on surfaces outdoors, due to exposure to the sun, weather, etc. Sure, the bathrooms in those areas could be (likely are) festering cesspools of disease, but those specifically can be closed vs. the entire area.

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              • #8
                Governor Gavin Newsom.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by kork13 View Post
                  I don't really understand closing wide-open places like beaches, parks, campgrounds, etc. Those places specifically allow people to spread out, and viruses aren't going to survive well on surfaces outdoors, due to exposure to the sun, weather, etc. Sure, the bathrooms in those areas could be (likely are) festering cesspools of disease, but those specifically can be closed vs. the entire area.
                  Have you not seen the news? There were hoards of spring break revelers on the beaches in Florida. No social distancing occurring at all. There is one interview reel going around with various students talking about how they didn't care and weren't concerned. It's because of idiots like that that closures are necessary. As for closing bathrooms, how would that work exactly? How could you have open beaches and parks but no facilities?

                  Of course, the problem remains to some extent because even with the beaches closed, you know darn well those morons are still crowding into their rented homes and exposing each other to everything, which they will then carry home with them to share with their families.

                  The whole state by state thing is a failure, too. We need one FEDERAL order to STAY HOME. Close EVERY non-essential business and activity. Right now, you've got various levels of quarantine happening depending on where you happen to live. That's doing little to slow the spread or flatten the curve.
                  Steve

                  * Despite the high cost of living, it remains very popular.
                  * Why should I pay for my daughter's education when she already knows everything?
                  * There are no shortcuts to anywhere worth going.

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                  • #10

                    Even a week ago I was reading on the DIS board where folks had planned trips and they were not cancelling-- for a while for some inexplicable reason Disney only shut down the parks and did not shut the resorts and downtown Disney .... The only way to stop people from coming is to close it down.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by disneysteve View Post

                      Have you not seen the news? There were hoards of spring break revelers on the beaches in Florida. No social distancing occurring at all. There is one interview reel going around with various students talking about how they didn't care and weren't concerned. It's because of idiots like that that closures are necessary. As for closing bathrooms, how would that work exactly? How could you have open beaches and parks but no facilities?

                      Of course, the problem remains to some extent because even with the beaches closed, you know darn well those morons are still crowding into their rented homes and exposing each other to everything, which they will then carry home with them to share with their families.

                      The whole state by state thing is a failure, too. We need one FEDERAL order to STAY HOME. Close EVERY non-essential business and activity. Right now, you've got various levels of quarantine happening depending on where you happen to live. That's doing little to slow the spread or flatten the curve.
                      Then after they're done partying and increasing their skin cancer risk, they'll happily head off to the other 49 states and spread the virus there

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by james.hendrickson View Post
                        Oregons state parks, forests and campgrounds got closed as well.
                        This I find pretty stupid.
                        Yes, I can see closing any lodges, buildings, etc. but why in the heck can't the state park and forest be open so you can go for a hike and get some fresh air?
                        Out in the boonies is probably the best place you could be under present circumstances.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Fishindude77 View Post

                          This I find pretty stupid.
                          Yes, I can see closing any lodges, buildings, etc. but why in the heck can't the state park and forest be open so you can go for a hike and get some fresh air?
                          Because people need to STAY HOME!

                          Having the parks and campgrounds open means people will travel to them, go shopping for supplies, stop at rest stops and restaurants on their way there and back. And while there, gather with others.

                          Sure, if you were the only one there, no risk, but if dozens or hundreds of people are there, you're defeating the point. And again, if you close down all of the facilities, what are people supposed to do?
                          Steve

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                          * Why should I pay for my daughter's education when she already knows everything?
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                          • #14
                            “They” are the ones making decisions with no threat to their income LOL
                            Gunga galunga...gunga -- gunga galunga.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by greenskeeper View Post
                              “They” are the ones making decisions with no threat to their income LOL
                              If the only people making decisions were the business owners, we'd be in far deeper trouble than we already are.
                              Steve

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                              * Why should I pay for my daughter's education when she already knows everything?
                              * There are no shortcuts to anywhere worth going.

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