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  • Should I Speak Up or Butt Out?

    Hello, all. I am a long-time lurker and I so appreciate this forum.

    I have a bit of a dilemma, and I will try to concise.
    My father-in-law (my husband's step-dad) has always made a nice chunk of money-and both he and my mil have very expensive taste. They are well-off but most definitely not multi-millionaires and live beyond their means, in my opinion at least. As an example, it is not unusual for them to lose 50K over the course of a year at the local casino, and they often eat every meal out at nice restaurants.

    At 74, after being bored out of his retired mind- FIL decided to start another business. Because I have skills related to this arena, I became loosely affiliated with this venture, and I now share an office with his business partner and also receive ( a few) client referrals from them for which I pay a small commission.

    My dilemma is this: his business partner (whom I will call Sandy) and I have become friends and often chat about the business. In short, the business has HUGE expenses that way outweigh any revenue, and as a result, Sandy is essentially losing three thousand dollars a month. She even bounced her part of the rent once, and is stressed out of her mind. I have come to find out that my FIL is losing a good deal of money too-and what is more--he is always throwing considerable sums of money into what seems like a business destined for failure. They have been at it for three years and the margins are BAD. I know that he is funding this all with his (and my mil's) retirement fund.

    What I am struggling with is the fact that my mother-in-law thinks he is making good money. He clearly doesn't show her his books. This is not my business-I realize-except that I feel like I am watching an elderly woman in precarious health have the wool pulled over her eyes. I have no concrete proof of what he is losing-and so I can't make any solid claims. But I know that I know that things are financially bad with this business.

    My husband is torn as well, as you might imagine. I just don't understand how someone could be 75 years old and spending retirement funds like this. Longevity runs in his family--his mom died just a year ago!--and the rate I suspect he is burning through money they won't have adequate resources to last another ten or fifteen years.

    Should I speak to him privately, should I ignore all of this--what should I do? I know he won't welcome any questions, but I feel some sort of obligation here. Maybe I shouldn't.

    What do you all think?

  • #2
    Although I'm sure you already realize that maybe you should disassociate yourself with his business practices, I would leave it up to your husband to have the heavy hand in dealing with it. Your certainly correct in looking after these elderly in-laws, but at some point it's your husband that needs to stand up and get involved.

    Unfortunately it's "Sandy" that will suffer the most in all this.

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    • #3
      Thank you. My husband is hesitant because he knows he will meet with resistance. And he doesn't know how to approach it--especially since I am the one who has a front row seat to all of this.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Drake3287 View Post
        Although I'm sure you already realize that maybe you should disassociate yourself with his business practices, I would leave it up to your husband to have the heavy hand in dealing with it. Your certainly correct in looking after these elderly in-laws, but at some point it's your husband that needs to stand up and get involved.

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        • #5
          I too am of the opinion that DH needs to do the heavy lifting here and ask his dad if he's aware of the size of the loss the business has been incurring since inception. He can suggest that it's only fair for dad to inform his wife of the situation. If dad shuts him down, there is little else to be said. If dad is amenable to discuss the problems, DH can suggest your input would be valuable. The point is to keep the doors of communication open as wide as DD permits.

          I tend to turn it around and think about how I would feel if my in-laws verbally criticized my financial decisions. I know they see me as too thrifty, likely parsimonious, but gratefully they don't freeze communications.

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          • #6
            All too familiar tale, usually the messenger is shot (figuratively) to be a cold outsider left outside and cold looking in at thanksgiving.. OK so I over dramatasized (sp?) At this point how much is left to save? Are they going to take your word (or your husbands) and change their business model into something that makes money or admit defeat and close the doors to stop the bleeding? I would have to think if it were that easy they would have done it already. Odds are your MIL will take her husbands side as he "has always provided in the past" as she will not want to change her standard of living (even if it is falsely gained through debt). People hate change, ESPECIALLY downward change or admitting they screwed up. Good luck in whatever you decide.

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