Social security and medicare

[jmjj215]

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Glad you admit it’s a belief.

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Prove it is not bias toward the left with facts then. I don't need to spout out facts to say I think it's biased. And you can't give any facts to say it isn't.

[jmjj215]

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He thinks the 'Bushies' messed it up. I'm sure the left would have administered it perfectly.

[VJW]

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Medicare has a long track record of VERY efficient management of it’s programs.

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[VJW]

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Prove it is not bias toward the left with facts then. I don't need to spout out facts to say I think it's biased. And you can't give any facts to say it isn't.

And just how am I supposed to “prove” a negative ?

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[VJW]

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VJW, you're the poster boy for Social Security. If the federal government can mess up Medicare so badly, what makes you think that they wouldn't do the same thing to Social Security?

Au contraire.

The administration’s prescription drug program is NOT a ‘Medicare Prescription Drug’ program. It is a PRIVATE-SECTOR prescription drug program, with the majority of the $728 billion (and rising) costs entailing Corporate Welfare flowing to pharmaceutical companies, corporate HMOs, health insurance companies, and for-profit corporate hospitals, and the minority flowing to the purchase of prescription drugs for seniors.

Medicare was specifically excluded from offering a competing plan under this program.

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[sweeps]

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Au contraire.

The administration’s prescription drug program is NOT a ‘Medicare Prescription Drug’ program. It is a PRIVATE-SECTOR prescription drug program, with the majority of the $728 billion (and rising) costs entailing Corporate Welfare flowing to pharmaceutical companies, corporate HMOs, health insurance companies, and for-profit corporate hospitals, and the minority flowing to the purchase of prescription drugs for seniors.

Medicare was specifically excluded from offering a competing plan under this program.

Very good point. But the fact remains that Social Security is vulnerable to the same kind of "Congressional fix".

[cercis]

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Well, Jesse, I could say that overall I find it incredibly biased to the right. So, unless I'm so liberal I'm spinning, I'd say the paper is overall balanced. If both sides think it is biased towards the other side, then chances are it's completely balanced and we only remember the bits where they tilted a little now and again.

Right now the media is definitely right of center. You can tell that by doing a comparative analysis of news stories 20 years ago and now. So when a newspaper prints a report that is slightly left of center it really stands out - and gets them labeled as "liberal". Those of us who truly are liberal look at the people screaming "liberal media" and shake our heads. We'd love to see a truly liberal media.

[VJW]

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HEH.

Every time somebody complains about the so-called "Liberal Media", I ask them to please name a network owned by a “Liberal”. They can’t. They’re all owned by the corporate RightWing. It’s fun to watch their faces.

IMO, those that think the media has a “Liberal” bias can’t handle straight news, and prefer being reinforced by propaganda.

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[jmjj215]

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And just how am I supposed to “prove” a negative ?

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The same way I am supposed to prove my belief that they are biased. You just proved my point.

[jmjj215]

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HEH.

Every time somebody complains about the so-called "Liberal Media", I ask them to please name a network owned by a “Liberal”. They can’t. They’re all owned by the corporate RightWing. It’s fun to watch their faces.

IMO, those that think the media has a “Liberal” bias can’t handle straight news, and prefer being reinforced by propaganda.

The media does anything they can to bring something sensational, controversial, so they sell more of whatever distribution they're using. That is why they have a bias. Sure, they only tell us all the things going wrong and all the things that are bad - they don't tell us things that are going right because that doesn't sell papers or advertising o networks.

A prime example is some of the great progress that has been made over in Iraq (that I have heard first hand from people who are actually there) that we never even hear about.

So VJW, define "straight news" then so I can keep my eye out for it.

[VJW]

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The same way I am supposed to prove my belief that they are biased. You just proved my point.

No I didn’t.

If I had so matteroffactly claimed that a major news outlet was biased, I would have been able to substantiate such an assertion by providing examples.

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[VJW]

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The media does anything they can to bring something sensational, controversial, so they sell more of whatever distribution they're using. That is why they have a bias. Sure, they only tell us all the things going wrong and all the things that are bad - they don't tell us things that are going right because that doesn't sell papers or advertising o networks.

A prime example is some of the great progress that has been made over in Iraq (that I have heard first hand from people who are actually there) that we never even hear about.

Actually, there’s a perfect example of people relying upon opinion to get the outcome they want, when reality is actually quite different:

* According to Gen. John Abizaid, the insurgency is just as strong as it was six months ago:

“In terms of comparison from six months ago, in terms of foreign fighters, I believe there are more foreign fighters coming into Iraq than there were six months ago. In terms of overall strength of the insurgency, I would say it is the same as it was.”

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* Car bombs are on the rise:

“[T]here have been more than 484 car bombs since the handover, according to an Associated Press count, killing at least 2,221 people and wounding at least 5,574.”

LINK


* Daily attacks are on the rise. The number of attacks per day has risen from 10 in May 2003 to 52 in June 2004 to 70 a few moths ago:

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* There are only 27 countries in the “coalition of the willing” after 14 countries that have withdrawn all their forces:

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Both Italy and the Netherlands have pledged to withdraw their combined 4.500 troops very soon:

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* The U.S. National Guard has been missing its recruitment targets by 30%:

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* The U.S. Army has been missing its recruitment goals by 27%:

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After the Army fell “well short of its recruiting goals last year”, they have just announced they have raised the top age for recruits from age 35 up to age 42:

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Not to mention, there’s less electricity, and less clean drinking water than before the illegal invasion, and there is massive unemployment and sewage in the streets as compared to before the illegal invasion.

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[cercis]

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So reporting BAD news is liberal?

I can't even respond to that.

[jmjj215]

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Come on cercis, you know I didn't mean that. Sheesh.

[cercis]

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Well, I hope not, but that is basically what you said.

I do feel liberals get blamed for a lot. For instance, I learned today that the liberals are the reason the beef industry is doing so poorly (I mean if the liberals didn't force all that legislation with the USDA, then those beef ranchers could sell all kinds of beef). I'm serious, that is what someone claimed on another board (I hope it was a troll, I really do).

So, when there's a news story that's bad, liberals are blamed - seriously, check yahoo!'s news discussion boards.