The cost of the Iraq war

[Dingoluv4eva]

Re: The cost of the Iraq war

The winners and losers here may not be known in your lifetime. As far as being the bad guys, ask the Germans and Japanese who the bad guys are post WW2. There were whiners then who said we shouldn't have gotten involved. In those two wars, however, we decimated their adult male population, making pacification easier. In this war, an enforcement action of the terms of surrender in the first Gulf war, we concluded major military operations without doing the same. Now, those who are left to resist along with foreign insurgants plague us and may do so for a very long time. We are still in Germany, Japan, and South Korea years after combat ceased "over there".

all that u wrote there is garbage.

[dealsaver]

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U are speculating, all that u wrote there is garbage.

in the end it looks like they paint the crusaders as the bad guys.. so down the road we will definetly be the bad guys, thats guaranteed.

Who's speculating? Please become better informed before posting Dingoluv4eva. It may even surprise you to know that at this very minute we are occupying Iraq and not the reverse.

[Dingoluv4eva]

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I used long-term history,and also personal experience, in my conclussion.

U used complete garbage

[dealsaver]

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I used long-term history,and also personal experience, in my conclussion.

U used complete garbage

Perhaps you meant to say concussion.

[VJW]

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Google "Dr Abdul Qadeer Khan" and see how much he has single handedly done to destabilize the world by spreading nuclear secrets.

What’s that have to do with Iraq ?

Who the heck knows the whole truth with the state of our inteligence operations in this country and what is actually reported to the public.

The IAEA does.

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[VJW]

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The winners and losers here may not be known in your lifetime. As far as being the bad guys, ask the Germans and Japanese who the bad guys are post WW2. There were whiners then who said we shouldn't have gotten involved.

Except then we were attacked by Japan and declared war on by Germany.

Now, those who are left to resist along with foreign insurgants plague us and may do so for a very long time.

According to General Abizaid, the “foreign” fighters comprise 5% of the insurgents or less, which means that 95% are home-grown Iraqis who are resisting an illegal invasion and occupation.

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[dealsaver]

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What’s that have to do with Iraq ?

Did Pak scientist offer N-blueprint to Saddam? Page down for article.

The IAEA does.

As per the Khan debacle, The IAEA doesn't even know what's going on in countries which comprise their own board of Governors.

[dealsaver]

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According to General Abizaid, the “foreign” fighters comprise 5% of the insurgents or less, which means that 95% are home-grown Iraqis who are resisting an illegal invasion and occupation.

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I remember Abizaid saying there were about 5000 foreign insurgants a few years ago. Do you have a link for that 5% quote. Most recently he's stated that the percentage of foreign fighters has been increasing.

[VJW]

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Did Pak scientist offer N-blueprint to Saddam?[/URL] Page down for article.

Ah, your “article” (if one can stretch to call it that) consists of mere conjecture. One would think that the following phrases would have clued YOU in:

* “He allegedly offered to facilitate the procurement of the equipment…”

* “This offer is believed to have been made…”

* “these documents indicate that Dr Khan may also have…”

As per the Khan debacle, The IAEA doesn't even know what's going on in countries which comprise their own board of Governors.

They obviously know more than the Bushies. The IAEA was correct, the Bushies were wrong.

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[VJW]

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I remember Abizaid saying there were about 5000 foreign insurgants a few years ago.

Nope.

It was as recent as June of this year.

Do you have a link for that 5% quote.

Of course:

FACE THE NATION

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/face_062605.pdf

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[dealsaver]

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Nope. It was as recent as June of this year.

...as reported in 2003.
General sees 'urgency' in Iraq

Of course:FACE THE NATION

Thanks for the link. 5% would seem to be the floor from Abizaid's quotes, although that would be a huge reduction from the 5000 number you said was as recent as June.

[VJW]

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...as reported in 2003. General sees 'urgency' in Iraq

I see that you have a problem with reading comprehension.

From your linked article:

* “The top U.S. military commander in the Middle East said Thursday that coalition forces are facing up to 5,000 fighters in Iraq”

That’s 5,000 TOTAL fighters, not 5,000 foreign fighters as you claimed in post #23 that the general stated.

Thanks for the link.

I can always substantiate my statements.

5% would seem to be the floor from Abizaid's quotes

I don’t see how you get that from his statement:

“There's probably about a thousand foreign fighters operating inside of Iraq”

although that would be a huge reduction from the 5000 number you said was as recent as June.

No, as I never claimed there was 5,000. That was YOU in post #23. I merely referenced that Abizaid’s STATEMENT concerning the number of foreign fighters in Iraq was as recent as June of this year.

So that we’re clear, in 2003, General Abizaid’s estimate of the total number of Iraqi resistance was at 5,000. A year and a half later, General Abizaid’s estimate of the total number of Iraqi resistance was at 20,000, with 95% being home-grown Iraqis resisting an an illegal invasion and an ongoing illegal occupation. Thereby leaving the remaining 5% of the resistance consisting of foreign fighters.


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[dealsaver]

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* “The top U.S. military commander in the Middle East said Thursday that coalition forces are facing up to 5,000 fighters in Iraq”

That’s 5,000 TOTAL fighters, not 5,000 foreign fighters as you claimed in post #23 that the general stated.

My recollection and comphrension were both off. Thanks for the correction. However...

I can always substantiate my statements.

...often wrong, but never in doubt should be your tag line.

I don’t see how you get that from his statement:

“There's probably about a thousand foreign fighters operating inside of Iraq”

No, as I never claimed there was 5,000. That was YOU in post #23. I merely referenced that Abizaid’s STATEMENT concerning the number of foreign fighters in Iraq was as recent as June of this year.

So that we’re clear, in 2003, General Abizaid’s estimate of the total number of Iraqi resistance was at 5,000. A year and a half later, General Abizaid’s estimate of the total number of Iraqi resistance was at 20,000, with 95% being home-grown Iraqis resisting an an illegal invasion and an ongoing illegal occupation. Thereby leaving the remaining 5% of the resistance consisting of foreign fighters.

Abizaid's quote,"At the high end, that could be as much as 20,000. I think it's less than that. There's probably about a thousand foreign fighters operating inside of Iraq and there's probably about 60 to 100 coming across the borders primarily from Syria."

From his quote the floor would be 5%, not including the fighters crossing the borders from Syria.

[VJW]

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often wrong, but never in doubt should be your tag line.

Dream on.

You’ve been unable to substantiate any of your assertions that I’ve been “wrong”.

Abizaid's quote,"At the high end, that could be as much as 20,000. I think it's less than that. There's probably about a thousand foreign fighters operating inside of Iraq and there's probably about 60 to 100 coming across the borders primarily from Syria."

From his quote the floor would be 5%, not including the fighters crossing the borders from Syria.

I’m afraid you’re CONFUSED.

When Abizaid states “I think it's less than that”, he is referring to the TOTAL number of fighters. Therefore, the percentage of foreign fighters, represented by Abizaid as “about a thousand”, would be an even LARGER percentage.

You have it backwards.

If the total number of insurgents is exactly 20,000, and the total number of foreign fighters is exactly 1,000, then the foreign fighters represent exactly 5% of the total. If the total number of fighters is “less than that”, then the total number of foreign fighters would be an even larger percentage than 5%.

Grade school math.

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[dealsaver]

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I’m afraid you’re CONFUSED.

When Abizaid states “I think it's less than that”, he is referring to the TOTAL number of fighters. Therefore, the percentage of foreign fighters, represented by Abizaid as “about a thousand”, would be an even LARGER percentage.

You have it backwards.

If the total number of insurgents is exactly 20,000, and the total number of foreign fighters is exactly 1,000, then the foreign fighters represent exactly 5% of the total. If the total number of fighters is “less than that”, then the total number of foreign fighters would be an even larger percentage than 5%.

Grade school math.

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If you would only take the time to read carefully what you've written, you'd realize your comments support my statement about a 5% floor entirely. Perhaps you don't know the difference between a floor and a ceiling.

I'm happy your proud of your Grade School Math.

As far as you being wrong, it's bad enough your opinions are so dreadful. Giving incorrect tax advice which people might believe is even worse. How long for profit?

And by the way, your "#" key is stuck. That's the only possible explanation for it appearing at the bottom of your posts.