When did schools become our 'taxmasters'

[vishenda]

Re: When did schools become our 'taxmasters'

I'm not clear about your question. However, I believe that schools are generally underfunded and need assistance.

[rduell]

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We just heard that our 1% wage tax (half goes to the township and half to the school district) will be going to 2% soon.

[SuzeOFan]

Re: When did schools become our 'taxmasters'

Vishenda

I'm not clear about your question. However, I believe that schools are generally underfunded and need assistance.

From what I've been hearing from people in this thread, it would seem it's the teachers that are underfunded ...not the school system.

[sweeps]

Re: When did schools become our 'taxmasters'

All this depends on where you live. In other threads people have said they spend less than $1,000 on annual property taxes. I don't care if schools take up 100% of that, there's really nothing to complain about.

We Americans complain about such frivolous things. Borrow the Hotel Rwanda DVD from the library and watch it this week. You'll see how much we really take for granted.

[greedy4chips]

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My biggest gripe is that the new schools that are being built seem to have to try and win some architecture award for design instead of being cost efficient.

Our district is asking for 26 million over the next 3 years or approx $3.00 per $1000 in assessed value over those 3 years....YIKES! This is in addition to what we are already paying.

[rduell]

Re: When did schools become our 'taxmasters'

We just heard that our 1% wage tax (half goes to the township and half to the school district) will be going to 2% soon.

I should have added that this is added onto the over $1,000 we already pay in property tax each year that goes to the school district.

[DivaJen]

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Sorry, I think it was the Aztecs, not the Incas I was referring to - although I don't know enough about the Incas, I think they also did these things.

If left to themselves, most if not all primitive cultures were violent and murderous.
The Hawaiians, the Romans, the Chinese, the Turks, etc. etc. etc.

That is what you get without the influence of Judeo/christianity.

History and the present times ....are my witness.

What did the Spaniards do when they came over? Love them up or slaughter? What did early Americans - God-fearing Christians, right? - do with Native Americans? Sing them lullabies, or slaughter?

This is the most ridiculous piece of propaganda I've read on these boards. Many a Christian has killed in the name of God. If you believe otherwise, you're delusional.

It's insane posts like this that boil my blood and have me staying far, far away from this site. This, and the notion that it's OK to just think of ourselves and not worry about paying any money (in taxes) for the greater good. Selfishness, and ignorance, combined with arrogance.

I'm so angry. This site used to be a favorite of mine.

[DivaJen]

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[Also, if you had to teach, mentor, counsel, oversee, discipline, etc. 32 pre-pubescent students 7 hours a day, 5 days a week, not to mention take home all of their work to GRADE and hold your PEE untill your bladder crys because you can't leave the classroom unattended, you would realize that teachers NEED that summer break, those three day weekends and any other PERKS you think we get!]

As far as the 7 hours teachers work a day you have a lunch hour in that 7 hours as well as most disticts allow 1 hour during the day for grading papers as well as going over lesson plans. If the teachers choose to use that time for relaxing and taking breaks. That is 5 to 51/2 hours fo actual class time. I dont feel sorry that they have to grade at home. I worked in the school system for years and have seen first hand the wasted time that goes on. as far as having your pay spread out over 12 months you a still making the money in 9 months that most people make in 12 months so I dont feel bad because you have to spread your 9 month income over 12 months like everyone else in the community. Also many teachers work full time jobs during the summer to inhance there income and take away jobs from people would dont have any other form of income.

Do you think an hour a day is sufficient to plan, grade, contact parents, etc? If you're an elementary teacher you're planning for what? 5, 6 subjects? And if you're a middle/high school teacher, you might only have 2 or 3 preps, but you likely have upwards of 150-180 students. An hour a day is enough, eh?

And do you think teachers have an hour for lunch? Do you think they are only on campus from exactly the start of the school day to exactly the end of the day?

Your disdain is clear. And it's insulting.

[SuzeOFan]

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DivaJ:

What did the Spaniards do when they came over? Love them up or slaughter? What did early Americans - God-fearing Christians, right? - do with Native Americans? Sing them lullabies, or slaughter?

Oh brother! ... God-fearing christians slaughtered the indians? Dear I'm afraid the Aztecs and native americans were doing that to themselves *long* before Cortez or Columbus ever showed up! You talk like christians invented slaughter!

Sorry, but God-fearing christians (with a small 'c') would not be acting very christian-like would they by slaughtering anyone - let alone indians! You have a very warped assumption of history. (Must have learned it in a public school). FYI it was army soldiers and our own government that slaughtered the Indians - not christians! It was the government that assigned them to reservations and took their lannds from them ...not christians! I suppose you'll be telling us next that Hitler, Stalin and Saddamn Hussein were christians too!

If you're from California, (and you sound like it) you must know of all the old missions founded by the Jesuits, monks and priests for the benefit of the poor Mexicans and Indians. Some still stand today. They were founded by blood yes ...the blood of the missionaries!

Talk about hate-filled hate-mongering totally biased and uniformed nonsense! I'm sorry, but you are the one who is living in a fantasy land of your own invention.

[tinapbeana]

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Sorry, but God-fearing christians (with a small 'c') would not be acting very christian-like would they by slaughtering anyone - let alone indians! You have a very warped assumption of history. (Must have learned it in a public school). FYI it was army soldiers and our own government that slaughtered the Indians - not christians! It was the government that assigned them to reservations and took their lannds from them ...not christians! I suppose you'll be telling us next that Hitler, Stalin and Saddamn Hussein were christians too!

i'm confused... didn't you say earlier that this Country was founded by Christians and that's why religion had a place in schools? and since the founders were the government, doesn't that make actions taken by the government therefore actions taken by Christians?

BTW, Hitler professed to be a devout Christian. it's part of why he reviled Jews, stating they were the ones who killed Jesus.

quite honestly, it doesn't matter one way or another. all humans are unique, God is infinite no matter what name, gender, or religion you choose to assign to your deity. God is God, period.

can we please go back to the topic of budgets?

[kashi]

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Go Jen!

SuzeOFan, it's unfortunate that you are unable to carry on any kind of debate or conversation without bringing your religious beliefs into the picture. I find life to be much more fulfilling when I take the time to consider other people's points of view, even if I don't ultimately take them on as my own. It's sad to see someone who is incapable of that. It seems that everyone is wrong (and, thus, needs to find God), unless they agree with you.

Funny, too, that you want to keep this thread on task, yet continually bring up your religious beliefs, and then act as though it's everyone else's fault. This might have been a far more interesting thread had you stifled the instinct to preach.

Here's where I hit the "block" button. May you find others to be as intolerant of you and your beliefs as you are to them.

To the teachers on this thread - thank you for your contributions. I learned far more about the state of the public school system today because of you.

By the way - how does someone "sound" as though they are from California? and is that supposed to be an insult? Because personally, I'd take it as a complement. (Then again - I was born there - perhaps they injected some sort of California serum into me at birth.)

[kimiko]

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If left to themselves, most if not all primitive cultures were violent and murderous.
The Hawaiians, the Romans, the Chinese, the Turks, etc. etc. etc.

That is what you get without the influence of Judeo/christianity.

oh wow, may I suggest you either take some anthropology classes or research yourself on how other cultures function, their values, their history, etc... before you generalize and impose your own values on them as the absolute value.

[SuzeOFan]

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tpbeana:

i'm confused... didn't you say earlier that this Country was founded by Christians and that's why religion had a place in schools?

No. That's not what I said. *Religion* does not belong in public schools. But God does. And He was a welcome figure there up until lawyers, athiests and the NEA had their way.

and since the founders were the government, doesn't that make actions taken by the government therefore actions taken by Christians?

((Sigh)) No.

BTW, Hitler professed to be a devout Christian. it's part of why he reviled Jews, stating they were the ones who killed Jesus.

Hitler professed to be alot of thigs he wasn't. Maybe even God? You want to take Hitlers word for it? Hitler had christian parents (or at least one) but he left any semblance of faith far behind when he left home. Hitler was a master at propaganda. I'm sure he loved the idea of pitting the Jews against the christians by hanging that sign there. He was pure evil. It's an historic fact that he was heavily into the occult. (not a very christian passtime last time I checked).

It's this kind of misinformation that is very dangerous. I've heard this kind of stuff spread around before. All of it total misinformation and all of it lies.

I credit the and secular humanists and public schools for all this wonderful propaganda being fed to this generation. Real good stuff. Hurray for public schools.

[kimiko]

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Teacher hours aren't as clear cut as the time they're presented at school. It takes a lot of time to prepare a teaching plan, exercises for students to do, grading the works, be available to help any students should they needed it. They also have to care for those students too and if some students' grades dip, they have to contact the parents, etc... It's a whole lot more work than someone who work only from 9-5 on the same pay.

[tgavin71]

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I can only talk about Australia. I am not even going to mention God or Christianity because I can't understand what that has to do with the post question.
Here we pay income tax. Everyone who works and earns over $6000 (I think that what it is now) pays tax. It is a sliding scale. Basically the more you earn the higher your tax rate. THis money goes to the government and it gets spent where it is needed. Schools, hospitals, roads etc. Not necessiarly in my local area.

As for holidays etc. IN NSW we operate on a four term system. Five weeks at Christmas for summer holidays, two weeks at Easter, two in July and two in September. Teachers also get four weeks paid holiday on top of this. My children go to school from 9-3pm. Teachers are required to be a school at 8.30am. They can leave at anytime after 3pm.