if you voted for biden...a question

**Singuy** · 11-12-2020, 03:55 AM

I voted against my financial interest but most Americans did not. This is why Trump is out but the senate remains red and the house became more red. Trump exhausted all of his fire power when it comes to financials and the rest is just poisonous to this country (like continue to be divisive and antagonize the world with incoherent trade policies).

**riverwed070707** · 11-12-2020, 04:40 AM

I have this discussion regularly with MIL. I vote based on social issues not fiscal gain, simple as that. I want a leader that is going to work to bring people together, not be divisive and only care about those who are on his side. Someone who dismisses the needs and fears of half the country is not a leader, regardless of what your stock portfolio is doing

**disneysteve** · 11-12-2020, 05:05 AM

I never vote with my wallet. I vote with my heart. I vote based on my personal values, morals, ethics, religious beliefs, etc. I vote for the candidates that I think will do the most to advance social justice and equality. I vote against racism and sexism and nationalism. I vote against restricting women's rights.

I've said in numerous conversations here that I would happily pay higher taxes if it resulted in things like universal health care or UBI, for example.

**corn18** · 11-12-2020, 05:57 AM

Originally posted by disneysteve View Post

I never vote with my wallet. I vote with my heart. I vote based on my personal values, morals, ethics, religious beliefs, etc. I vote for the candidates that I think will do the most to advance social justice and equality. I vote against racism and sexism and nationalism. I vote against restricting women's rights.

I've said in numerous conversations here that I would happily pay higher taxes if it resulted in things like universal health care or UBI, for example.

+1.

I am retired military in the 1% so there is every reason for me to vote Trump. I did not. I am still a republican.

**disneysteve** · 11-12-2020, 07:09 AM

I would also add that we were negatively impacted by the Trump tax increase. I was actually hoping that Biden would reverse that but with the Senate still held by the GOP, that probably won't happen.

**ua_guy** · 11-12-2020, 07:35 AM

There's a clear subset of people in this country who value money over life. We see it with covid. People would rather die working their jobs.

We were negatively impacted by Trump's change in tax policies. We pay a lot more under those changes. The tax burden under Biden remains to be seen, yet we voted for him anyway. I'm not worried about higher taxes.

My husband and I are gay. We've had our rights and equality attacked and questioned and put before the supreme court, our people marginalized and threatened. This is the most grave offense, especially when it begins to question the legality of our marriage. We are Americans just the same and no we will never vote for anyone who doesn't believe we are equal and that includes trump.

Beyond that, I vote for what is right and just, and these are matters of the heart. I was not raised to condone the actions or behaviors of people trump; in our family, that's just not who we are; we are better than that.

**HundredK** · 11-12-2020, 03:41 PM

I voted for Biden even though he wasn't my candidate of choice. But to be honest, I'd have voted for literally anyone who wasn't Trump. He has shown himself to be nothing but an erratic mean toddler who serves himself first, and yes, his policies reflect that. He is a complete embarrassment. Which is why I didn't vote for him the first time either - look at his business history (oh my, the bankruptcies and failures!), his personal life (women he's assaulted, racism etc), everything, it's all a nightmare. So I voted against Trump because I want to live in a good and decent society and he is neither of those things. I don't actually think his fiscal policies would have helped anyone for very long, and I do believe they'll be hurting the US for a long time to come. (and anyway, like Steve, his tax policies were a disadvantage to me).

So really, to someone who says they voted for him because they feel got a little extra money in their pockets, I would ask them if that is worth trading for equality, decency, democracy, fairness, and goodness in the world. If money is more important to you than all those other things, I think we know everything we need to know about you.

**kork13** · 11-12-2020, 04:45 PM

I did vote against Trump because in my personal opinion, he's been an embarrassingly unprofessional, ineffective, and arguably unethical leader to this country. These are basic traits that I expect out of any leader, let alone the president. While I absolutely respect the office & role of the president, I have sparse little respect for this man himself. In fact, it's because of my great respect for the presidency that I voted against Trump. Same reasons that in 2016 I voted for a third party candidate -- I didn't feel that I could respect Trump or Clinton, so I found someone else that I could. I vote according to my values. Politics aside, Biden is a good man with sound judgement. I'll take that over a madman whose political viewpoints I share every single time.

BTW: The president doesn't have the power to hit my wallet -- that's Congress.

**Petunia 100** · 11-12-2020, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by LivingAlmostLarge View Post

If you voted for biden I have a question. I did vote for biden. That being said this is not for pros or cons, but a serious question asked to me finally tonight by my mom. She voted for trump. She believes in his policies and feels he's made her a lot of money in 4 years. My mom asked "how could you vote against your financial interests? Why would you vote for that socialist Biden? You are going to pay more in taxes (I will). Why did you vote to lose money? You and DH will be losing money in the next 4 years hand over fist. The stock market will tank and we will be in a recession (we already are but she doesn't understand GDP).

She's terrible with money other than don't spend more than you have. Her financial advisor was being investigated and stripped for investing recklessly for clients. But she wouldn't listen to me so it happened. What can you do do?

So normally I never say anything about finances.

But I said we (DH and I) don't care about money. We voted for other reasons. But more than that, we believe that the divide between the haves and have nots in the US is greater than ever and increasing. I truly feel fortunate to be on the side of haves but I do think what happens if we fall down into the side of the haves nots? What then? Yes there are other reason to not vote for trump but my pocketbook was certainly not one of them. And I never had previously voted with my pocketbook.

I'm also sure if the democratic nominee had been bernie (i supported him in 2016) I would have voted for him even if I were going to pay more in taxes. But did anyone vote for biden and realize that your pocketbook will be hit? Why did you do it? Did you also vote against your financial interests?

It is in my financial interests to vote for someone who wants to address climate change.

**disneysteve** · 11-12-2020, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by Petunia 100 View Post

It is in my financial interests to vote for someone who wants to address climate change.

And someone who wants to address things like a pandemic.

**scfr** · 11-13-2020, 06:14 AM

I've been voting against my own narrow, short-term financial interests all of my adult life. I don't have children, but more often than not I vote yes on school bond measures. I do so out of a sense of responsibility, but also happily.
The sad thing is that I've run across people who automatically assume I'll vote no just because I don't have kids. That says more about them than me.

**bjl584** · 11-13-2020, 06:25 AM

I'm interested to see if Biden can achieve any real tangible results once he is in office.
I see a lot of stories from the media gushing over what he "might" do.
I just wonder if they, and if the people, will sour on him once he takes the reigns.

**disneysteve** · 11-13-2020, 06:49 AM

Originally posted by bjl584 View Post

I'm interested to see if Biden can achieve any real tangible results once he is in office.
I see a lot of stories from the media gushing over what he "might" do.
I just wonder if they, and if the people, will sour on him once he takes the reigns.

I think Biden will face an uphill battle with a GOP-controlled Senate. Much of what he would like to do requires Congressional approval. The next two years, at least, is going to hold a lot of gridlock in DC with the President and House proposing things and McConnell and the Senate either voting them down or not even bringing them up for discussion.

There are things he can accomplish with Executive Orders and I suspect we'll see a slew of those from the start, especially ones reversing things Trump did by EO.

**ua_guy** · 11-13-2020, 06:58 AM

Originally posted by bjl584 View Post

I'm interested to see if Biden can achieve any real tangible results once he is in office.
I see a lot of stories from the media gushing over what he "might" do.
I just wonder if they, and if the people, will sour on him once he takes the reigns.

I think Trump's un-candidate, anti-politician nature won him a lot of votes in 2016.

I think a lot of those same people voted for stability and the potential for a better pandemic response in 2020. Personally I think it's OK if Biden doesn't accomplish much of anything new, but instead focuses his time on restoring order and competence.

if you voted for biden...a question