President tests positive for COVID19

[disneysteve]

Hurricanes, polar caps melting, record high temps, there isn't anything you can do to stop it.

That's where we'll have to agree to disagree. There is a lot we can do. Nearly every climate scientist in the world agrees that humans are responsible for virtually 100% of the warming that has occurred on earth over the past 70 years. The problem is a lot of people still question that. They think human activity isn't contributing to the problem so there's nothing we can do about it.

[rennigade]

That's where we'll have to agree to disagree. There is a lot we can do. Nearly every climate scientist in the world agrees that humans are responsible for virtually 100% of the warming that has occurred on earth over the past 70 years. The problem is a lot of people still question that. They think human activity isn't contributing to the problem so there's nothing we can do about it.

I'm all for clean air and clean water. Pollution in general is terrible. Whether humans are around or not, nature is going to cycle through warming and cooling phases. There's enormous amounts of money at stake to push the climate change stuff. Follow the money.

[rennigade]

Looks like pence wanted to close the us border in March but the cdc would allow it.

Vice President Pence in March reportedly ordered the director for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to use its emergency powers to close the U.S. borders, despite top scientists saying there was no evidence that doing so would reduce the spread of COVID-19.

[Singuy]

I'm all for clean air and clean water. Pollution in general is terrible. Whether humans are around or not, nature is going to cycle through warming and cooling phases. There's enormous amounts of money at stake to push the climate change stuff. Follow the money.

Yup, when you follow the money, the money is with the trillion dollar auto/oil/gas/power companies.

The lobbyist will push politicians against renewables because it's a huge loss of jobs due to increase efficiency. What industry makes more money and has more jobs do you think when trying to make your car travel 300 miles? One side requires well explorers, drill installers, refineries, gas transporters, gas storage facilities, and gas stations. The other side is just sun, to solar on your roof, to a plug for your car.

It's a major contraction of the economy and I get it. There are definitely massive amount of cases to be made to retain jobs at the expense of more storms and fires. We are all subsidizing them now at least with my new doubled home insurance.

[ua_guy]

Looks like pence wanted to close the us border in March but the cdc would allow it.

Vice President Pence in March reportedly ordered the director for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to use its emergency powers to close the U.S. borders, despite top scientists saying there was no evidence that doing so would reduce the spread of COVID-19.

If closing borders was so crucially important to the health of Americans, why did Pence and Trump call for a complete reopening of the economy in the Spring of 2020? Were we safe then? Not really.

Why did they call for all schools to be open this fall, without safe distancing, testing, and masking guidelines?

Why are almost 210,000 Americans DEAD from Coronavirus since March of 2020?

How do you think Trump got it?

[rennigade]

If closing borders was so crucially important to the health of Americans, why did Pence and Trump call for a complete reopening of the economy in the Spring of 2020? Were we safe then? Not really.

Why did they call for all schools to be open this fall, without safe distancing, testing, and masking guidelines?

Why are almost 210,000 Americans DEAD from Coronavirus since March of 2020?

How do you think Trump got it?

Why do we have to rely on the government to babysit us? At what point should people take responsibility for themselves?

210k people dead seems like a lot, but it's nothing on the grand scheme of things. More people will die from shutting down than from covid itself. 10s of millions of lives are forever changed because they weren't allowed to work. Imagine that, being told you can't work and receive almost no pay.

Again, everyone needs to stop replying on the government for guidance. We don't need a nanny state.

[disneysteve]

Why do we have to rely on the government to babysit us? At what point should people take responsibility for themselves?

Sure. Who needs laws? Let people do what they feel is best. No more speed limits. No DUI restrictions. No building codes. No food inspections. Sounds like a good plan.

[rennigade]

Sure. Who needs laws? Let people do what they feel is best. No more speed limits. No DUI restrictions. No building codes. No food inspections. Sounds like a good plan.

That's exactly what I meant. Total anarchy. You hit the nail on the head. Although the tolerant left want to defund the police so you may be on to something.

[Singuy]

Why do we have to rely on the government to babysit us? At what point should people take responsibility for themselves?

210k people dead seems like a lot, but it's nothing on the grand scheme of things. More people will die from shutting down than from covid itself. 10s of millions of lives are forever changed because they weren't allowed to work. Imagine that, being told you can't work and receive almost no pay.

Again, everyone needs to stop replying on the government for guidance. We don't need a nanny state.

Hmm, 210k people died with a shut down and a half ass attempt to get people to wear a mask.

If the government never forced a shut down, then death could be in the millions as hospital gets overwhelmed. The worst part is during the initial phase of this virus, people didn't know what they were doing with bunch of unproven treatment method. One of them we found is the use of invasive ventilators which caused more death than lives saved.

So the shut down at least bought us some time to learn how to treat this appropriately, hence the lower death rate associated with this disease today. It also gave is time to get drugs like remdesivir made and distributed as well as tests.

And yeah, would love to not have government baby sit us, but we are living among a bunch of adult children who are under educated and selfish. For example, I am forced into paying for social security because the majority of Americans can't save a buck.

[Singuy]

All right guys, the President apparently just picked up a book and learned about this virus. He'll soon announce his mind blowing revelations so we can follow. So far I hear wash your hands and use hand sanitizer. I am taking down notes because these are some breaking news discoveries!

Seriously, any republican I'll vote for than this guy.

[disneysteve]

For example, I am forced into paying for social security because the majority of Americans can't save a buck.

I agree with your whole post except for this.

I have absolutely no problem with SS. First off, my wife and I will directly benefit from it. Even if one of us dies early, the other will benefit. Had anything happened to me before my daughter turned 18, she would have benefited. If one of us becomes disabled, we'd benefit. And I have no issue with contributing to a safety net that helps keep poor older and disabled Americans out of poverty. A lot of people "can't save a buck" because they aren't capable of working or they earn so little that they can barely get by. I'm happy to help with that through the SS system.

[amarowsky]

So the 200,000+ Americans dead and 1,000,000+ dead worldwide wasn't enough of a concern but an elderly obese guy who refused to wear a mask or socially distance catching it suddenly makes them concerned?

Cognitive dissonance from both extreme's will make you fit in as much "subjective reasoning" as needed to fit their "already correct" conclusion they jumped to. In this case, for his supporters, if they were dismissive of the threat, due to being contrarian or mere blind loyalty. At least this ought to grow public's respect for the virus (or bring those who didn't respect, up to Par).

Regarding the debate.... I think it's kinda irrelevant if they have another one. They agree on nearly everything involving gov't spending already. I really don't see much of a functional difference, other than social control issues that are mostly rhetoric battles to get extra ratings for the large corporate doners who host the debates.

TBH, I would be MOST interested in seeing the debate on the Joe Rogan's Podcast. And I would be even MORE interested if they let in the leading candidates from the (4) primary parties to discuss. (Or at least let 1, 3rd party candidate in there to Eviscerate the corporate sponsored ideas of the establishment parties). Seeing the debate in a Truly impartial forum, where there is zero corporate allegiance, would be best for the nature of the people. It's hard for me to express how little faith, trust, or interest I hold for the establishment media (either side, they are pretty garbage these days...)

[ua_guy]

On Sunday the president insisted he be driven around the perimeter of the hospital so he could wave at supporters. Can you imagine being the driver and/or officer in that Suburban with him? The president has a deadly and highly contagious virus, but he wants to go wave at people standing on the street corner. Get in a vehicle with him and go drive him around because police lives apparently don't mean anything.

Respect for police my ass

[james.hendrickson]

moved to "everything else financial".

[disneysteve]

On Sunday the president insisted he be driven around the perimeter of the hospital so he could wave at supporters.

The optics of that stunt are awful. The agents were in full PPE but still, it never should have been allowed. I see COVID patients regularly. I wear full PPE. But I don't spend a second more with them than I need to. We do everything we can to limit exposure. Even if the agents volunteered, which is what is being said, it still shouldn't have been allowed. And he didn't even have a good mask on. Just a plain cloth one. Why wasn't he at least fitted with an N95? Walter Reed should be ashamed of themselves.