Should the leader of the secret service in charge on Saturday be fired?

[QuarterMillionMan]

I think that person should step down, retire, or get fired for not securing that building (and possibly prosecuted). Just a reminder that political discussions are not allowed.

[disneysteve]

I don't think we know, or will likely ever know, enough of the details to answer that question. I see no point in discussing it. Anything anybody says would be total speculation.

[james.hendrickson]

Guys - moved this because its not strictly a finance topic.,

That said, had Trump been shot, its likely the markets would have been greatly impacted. In particular Truth Social's share price would likely have declined a great deal.

[QuarterMillionMan]

Good point James. And my DJT stock would probably be $0 if he was killed. He is so lucky be alive. I expect to see plexiglass around him from this point forward.

[james.hendrickson]

Its amazing QMM - an inch in a different direction and he would have been dead. Call it what you want - Gods will or just pure dumb luck - its just such a close call.

[QuarterMillionMan]

It looks like a woman at the secret service is responsible.

[kork13]

The Secret Service will handle it as they see fit. It would be inappropriate & non-productive for us/anyone to armchair quarterback & start trying to demand "accountability" or any other action. I've worked with USSS before -- they're exceptionally high quality professionals, and there's only so much that they can do or prevent at an open event like that.

Of note, I read a report that the person was spotted climbing to the roof by attendees who reported it, and he was challenged by a policeman (who got scared off by the shooter by brandishing his rifle) just before he started firing. As soon as he did, USSS counter-snipers fired on him. That tells me that a fairly tight bubble already existed, and procedures were properly in place to handle such issues. Dynamic environments pose dynamic, fast-paced challenges. You can't stop or prevent everything, but you can address many of them effectively ... In my limited view, that happened. But again, USSS will investigate the team's actions, and I trust that they'll handle it appropriately.

[disneysteve]

[QUOTE=kork13;n747513]The Secret Service will handle it as they see fit. It would be inappropriate & non-productive for us/anyone to armchair quarterback & start trying to demand "accountability" or any other action. I've worked with USSS before -- they're exceptionally high quality professionals, and there's only so much that they can do or prevent at an open event like that.

Of note, I read a report that the person was spotted climbing to the roof by attendees who reported it, and he was challenged by a policeman (who got scared off by the shooter by brandishing his rifle) just before he started firing. As soon as he did, USSS counter-snipers fired on him. That tells me that a fairly tight bubble already existed, and procedures were properly in place to handle such issues. Dynamic environments pose dynamic, fast-paced challenges. You can't stop or prevent everything, but you can address many of them effectively ... In my limited view, that happened. But again, USSS will investigate the team's actions, and I trust that they'll handle it appropriately.[/QUOTE]

Well said. It is absolutely impossible to secure an open-air venue. Heck it's impossible to totally secure a closed venue. I have attended a speech by the sitting President and another by the sitting Vice President and got to observe first hand the Secret Service preparation (at least the visible actions) and it's quite involved, but it can never be 100%. If someone is committed to breaching security, they'll find a way.

[disneysteve]

Hey [USER="72438"]james.hendrickson[/USER] the quote function doesn't seem to be working properly today.

[james.hendrickson]

[QUOTE=disneysteve;n747515]Hey [USER="72438"]james.hendrickson[/USER] the quote function doesn't seem to be working properly today.[/QUOTE]

Got it - on the fix list. We should be upgrading the forums soon as well.

[kork13]

One other point about the USSS .... In most cases, they're remarkably honor-bound, even moreso at times than you'll find in the military or elsewhere. If/when an agent is found at fault, or even just having underperformed, it's not uncommon for the agent to resign on his/her own. And by the same token, when they have done everything right, even if the end result was bad/undesirable, the Secret Service vehemently defends their own. I have alot of respect for those folks.

[Fishindude77]

This can't be discussed without turning political.
I'll opt out.

[QuarterMillionMan]

I would even venture to think 1 USSS (or more) pointed out that building before the shooting to a superior officer. Hindsight is 24/24 but they would park an 18 wheeler or install a barrier to obstruct that view.

[QuarterMillionMan]

I would even go out on a limb and say that incompetence at a high level at the USSS if not the highest level was a factor. USSS personnel at the ground level no doubt as Kork said are remarkable. Incompetence is rampant now not only in the USSS which is disheartening.

[bjl584]

The secret service is bound by the rules of engagement as all other law enforcement agencies. A person on a roof outside of the venue area must be identified as a threat before action can be taken. Unfortunately, it was too late. Why the roof wasn't secured is another issue. But speculating and Monday morning quarterbacking at this stage is unproductive. More info will come out as the investigation proceeds.